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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by arethuza »

hutzlibu wrote: post #234
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"She wasn't in a position to lose a job at the time, and felt she had no other choice but to begin lying about numbers to meet the targets " But what have they done to deserve the truth? More or less this is how we get thinga like Chernobyl, when the entire chain is lying because the cost of tellong the truth is too high and there is no incentive to do so.

"and there is no incentive to do so. " Still, after the accident some of the engineers went for a literal suicide mission to open some ventil to make it all less catastrophic. And unlike the poor construction workers, who died, too, they knew what they were doing. I doubt they did it just for the postmortal fame. Some people have actually moral standards and can stand by it, even if it means disadvantages.

Worth having a read of the list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_di...

Entries like "received fatal dose of radiation during attempt to manually lower the control rods as he looked directly to the open reactor core."

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by Nasrudith »

RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u wrote: post #64
josephg wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to do some work with a software consulting firm. There was a ping pong table in the office, and while talking about rates, our CEO liked to offer clients a 15% discount on our services if they could beat Joe from accounting at ping pong. He did it as a bit of a running joke, and to see how people reacted to the offer. What our clients didn't know was that Joe was terrible at ping pong. But that didn't matter -…

> [...] [H]e was only ever challenged once in the many years I was there. I suspect that's because your client's spending their company's money, and it made no difference if the rate were cheaper. They'd rather sign the deal quickly then GTFO. Challenging Joe would only prolong the process.

If they are higher salary relative to the discount it could be a losing prospect monetarily just by wasting their time.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by mattkevan »

arethuza wrote: post #83
brigandish wrote: post #77

> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…

I get as angry with recruiters as everyone else, but then I remember then time where I worked for a company that shared a floor of a serviced office building with a recruitment company. They were brutal in their treatment of staff - they were too cheap to get rooms for staff appraisals so they would do them in the coffee area we shared with them so we could hear how they were treated by their management - seeing peop…

Used to work at a place that shared a kitchen with a recruitment company and the same thing would happen. Very awkward to have to make a coffee right next to someone in floods of tears getting absolutely monstered by their manager.

Like Lord of the Flies in shiny suits.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by dmos62 »

wccrawford wrote: post #211
dmos62 wrote: post #126

Serious question: if you're applying for positions you're not totally confident in your experience and skillset, do you inflate your resume? My thinking goes that if I slip in by being dishonest, I'll be nervous of being found out, feel an intruder. So being honest and taking a longer time looking for match would get more comfort later on.

We recently discovered that someone lied about their one of their skills during the interview. We fired them. End of story. No other option. Do not lie on your resume or during the interview. I've never worked at a company that it wasn't grounds for immediate dismissal.

I've heard hiring is not a cheap process. That must have been a critical skill if you chose to restart the process.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by arethuza »

mattkevan wrote: post #263
arethuza wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get as angry with recruiters as everyone else, but then I remember then time where I worked for a company that shared a floor of a serviced office building with a recruitment company. They were brutal in their treatment of staff - they were too cheap to get rooms for staff appraisals so they would do them in the coffee area we shared with them so we could hear how they were treated by their management - seeing peop…

Used to work at a place that shared a kitchen with a recruitment company and the same thing would happen. Very awkward to have to make a coffee right next to someone in floods of tears getting absolutely monstered by their manager. Like Lord of the Flies in shiny suits.

A colleagues referred to one of their managers as the Terminator because of the warmth and charisma she displayed.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by klingon78 »

brigandish wrote: post #77

> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…

MOVA stands for “multiple object versionless architecture”, which is something I’d imagine any experienced full-stack developer should be able to handle- if it were real.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by onion2k »

EveYoung wrote: post #255
onion2k wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It demonstrates that the client actually read the contract.

Does it? If someone from legal reads the contract, why would they bother dealing with this gimmicky clause? The budget has already been approved and sending someone a plant might cost another 30min of their time they rather spent on doing their job.

"I can think of a hypothetical reason why you might be wrong in very specific circumstances, so I'll suggest that could be a reason why the general case is wrong" is such a dumb argument. Obviously there might be occasions where a client reads the clause and chooses to ignore it. Very rarely, someone in legal might decide to ignore the clause because they're a bit lazy and don't care about saving their employer some money. That isn't an argument against what I said though.

Plus, if the budget has already been approved, someone didn't read the contract before signing it. That's the same as not reading it.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by Nasrudith »

jdhzzz wrote: post #85
dmje wrote: post #82

Somewhat orthogonal but reminds me of the old map makers who used to insert made up islands / villages on their maps in order to prevent plagiarism. More here: [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_entry ]

A relative has a business publishing information about high school athletics. They created a fictitious school and used it to prove a company had infringed their copyright.

Thankfully the supreme court saved us from an epidemic of misinformation pollution with Feist v. Rural by making it not good for making them any money.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by tempodox »

pacman2 wrote: post #244
brigandish wrote: post #77

> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…

"The whole recruitment process seems broken " The IT market is pretty good compared to other fields but in the and, the market might have collapsed already. ""The Market for Lemons: Quality Uncertainty and the Market Mechanism" is a well-known[1][2] 1970 paper by economist George Akerlof which examines how the quality of goods traded in a market can degrade in the presence of information asymmetry between buyers and…

In Johnathan Swift's “Gulliver's Travels” (published 1726) it is stated that fraudulent behavior needs to be punished systematically since the erosion of trust will eventually destroy a market. Your comment describes a situation where exactly that happened. It is frustrating to see such an important (and simple) lesson, known literally for centuries, get forgotten or ignored.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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Post by justusthane »

karlding wrote: post #33
sdoering wrote: post #26

This reminded me of a talk [1] at pyData Berlin some years ago. Vincent demonstrated how he used some ML techniques to create fake pokemon sounding names to put into his LinkedIn resume. So that he could filter out headhunters without any real knowledge. To quote from my notes [2] of the conference: > There is a striking phonetic similarity between big data technology and pokemon names. Can you create a service that…

There's also a Pokemon or Big Data quiz [0]. [0] http://pixelastic.github.io/pokemonorbigdata/

That's excellent. I'm usually pretty good at these either-or things, but I was 2/10 on that.
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