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Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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That's a bit unfair though. I wouldn't take "great proficiency with chess" on a resume as grandmaster level.

The GM would easily figure out at what chess level he is though. No one expecting him to beat the GM of course.

The point is that that still is pretty meaningless. You can enjoy a game of chess even if you are not very good at it, much like you can enjoy a game of golf for the aspect of walking around in a well-kept park and having a chat, and see some improvement in your handicap over time.

I would not expect someone who puts chess on a resume to play competitively, which is a whole different beast.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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That's a bit unfair though. I wouldn't take "great proficiency with chess" on a resume as grandmaster level.

To be fair, lots of people colloquially claim to be good at chess but can’t even stumble though a proper opening. The difference between say a class-a player and a rando is massive and easy to tell.

Memorising openings is also a crutch for players who aren’t that good so I’m not sure if I would use that as a benchmark for good players.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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> That way, when candidates were pitched to us with "X years of MOVA experience", we knew that somebody was full of it. I'd put my money on the recruiter. I once had an excruciatingly awkward interview at a company on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhereland with no train station nearby that took me bloody ages to get to… which was actually going well until they asked me about my long experience with Exchang…

I get as angry with recruiters as everyone else, but then I remember then time where I worked for a company that shared a floor of a serviced office building with a recruitment company. They were brutal in their treatment of staff - they were too cheap to get rooms for staff appraisals so they would do them in the coffee area we shared with them so we could hear how they were treated by their management - seeing peop…

Jeez louise, imagine working somewhere where coworkers are regularly abused to tears. I really hope that that's an isolated case.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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if a business lied to you about compensation Exaggerating the possibility of a bonus or of the value of stock options is completely normal for employers.

Well people are saying its ok to lie to get the job too. Either both are wrong or both are ok.

While both are "wrong" in a more absolute sense, they are both so common and accepted that you really should assume it is happening and act accordingly.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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I would say any one using external recruiters are setting themself up to employing liars. Searching for jobs it's incredibly frustrating talking to a person who for once can't answer any technical questions of what the job is about, but also just crossing of a bucket list to see if you are qualified to talk to another recruiter with a bucket list. Instead of competing with liars I've just stopped applying for jobs go…

One thing you have to watch out for is that sometimes it's not the candidate's fault. Sometimes the recruiter will "tune up" a candidate's resume without them knowing it. Yes, it's crazy.

That's why recruiters insist on receiving CVs in Word format.

Re: We created a fake language to root out resume liars

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That's a bit unfair though. I wouldn't take "great proficiency with chess" on a resume as grandmaster level.

But how Dunning Kruger are you to put that down? Like chess has a pretty well known rating system that even a moderately interested player would know about. So in the case of chess you can’t even claim that you didn’t know you are not that great. You can put down you’re decent at Java or C++ or Python and actually be not that great at it because you have nothing to measure against. But in chess there is a rating syst…

This is a good take. I like to play chess recreationally; I also know I'm terrible at chess. Never in a thousand years would I put it on my resume.
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