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Re: Webmention.io

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Post by jcrawfordor »

nfoz wrote: post #38

Not meant to flame: why do people want these? They always just seemed like spam cluttering up an article's comments, removing the space for actual discussion.

Agreed - I think mentions are a very cool in principle, but in practice it seems like blog software that supports them tends to just treat them as comments, which ends up being really irritating. Unfortunately this practice has been sort of solidified by platforms like Tumblr.

I would love to see mentions implemented in the UX as a completely separate concept from comments, where there is independently maybe a "mentioned x times" in the post footer which can be clicked for a list of mentioners. This could be a cool method for "webring-style" discovery of websites on similar topics without cluttering up the comment experience.

Re: Webmention.io

#42

Post by aaronpk »

nfoz wrote: post #38

Not meant to flame: why do people want these? They always just seemed like spam cluttering up an article's comments, removing the space for actual discussion.

Don't think of it as comments on blog posts, think of it as enabling entire conversation threads between websites instead of between twitter accounts.

Re: Webmention.io

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Post by uranusjr »

nfoz wrote: post #38

Not meant to flame: why do people want these? They always just seemed like spam cluttering up an article's comments, removing the space for actual discussion.

It’s like something between Twitter reply and quoted RT, which both shows up for your own followers and notifies the OP you said something about their topic. Before big social networks were popular, this was a very good way to make new friends on the internet.

Re: Webmention.io

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Post by aaronpk »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #37

So here's my question: HN as far as I can tell doesn't explicitly integrate with webmention, but I'm assuming webmention.io does use it. Does that mean the owner @aaronpk does get a mention every time webmention is linked, say, from Hacker News? The docs don't make it clear, but if in fact, it does, this seems like a killer concept for HN users who want to be notified (among other times) when their service/blog/whate…

HN does not as far as I know, but Lobsters does! https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters/pull/535

Re: Webmention.io

#46

Post by abraham »

Klonoar wrote: post #15

I don't have anything against jQuery, but isn't it a bit weird to have that be the example in 2020? Wouldn't `fetch` just work fine there...?

jQuery is still used on a huge number of sites.

> jQuery alone is found on nearly 85% of the mobile pages tracked by HTTP Archive

https://almanac.httparchive.org/en/2020/javascript#what-do-w...

Re: Webmention.io

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Post by tarkin2 »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #37

So here's my question: HN as far as I can tell doesn't explicitly integrate with webmention, but I'm assuming webmention.io does use it. Does that mean the owner @aaronpk does get a mention every time webmention is linked, say, from Hacker News? The docs don't make it clear, but if in fact, it does, this seems like a killer concept for HN users who want to be notified (among other times) when their service/blog/whate…

Yeah. This is my interest.

I don't want to a cluster of likes and tweets. But I do want link notifications. I need to rely to Google for this currently.

Re: Webmention.io

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Post by aaronpk »

jcrawfordor wrote: post #41
nfoz wrote: post #38

Not meant to flame: why do people want these? They always just seemed like spam cluttering up an article's comments, removing the space for actual discussion.

Agreed - I think mentions are a very cool in principle, but in practice it seems like blog software that supports them tends to just treat them as comments, which ends up being really irritating. Unfortunately this practice has been sort of solidified by platforms like Tumblr. I would love to see mentions implemented in the UX as a completely separate concept from comments, where there is independently maybe a "menti…

The good news is everyone who receives webmentions can decide what it looks like themselves! In fact you'll see quite a lot of variation in how these are displayed on people's websites. Everything from a list of comments, to just a list of URLs, to a grid of faces with no text!

eta: There is also no requirement that the receiver of a webmention displays it! You could just as well use it for private notifications of the links.

Re: Webmention.io

#49

Post by aaronpk »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #37

So here's my question: HN as far as I can tell doesn't explicitly integrate with webmention, but I'm assuming webmention.io does use it. Does that mean the owner @aaronpk does get a mention every time webmention is linked, say, from Hacker News? The docs don't make it clear, but if in fact, it does, this seems like a killer concept for HN users who want to be notified (among other times) when their service/blog/whate…

> edit: Also, why doesn't webmention.io display its own mentions to utilize the two-way communication it advertises? Seems like a no-brainer to show prospective users an example of it working in action

This is a good idea, and if I were re-making this service new in 2021 I would definitely do this. However I launched this in 2012 as a barebones implementation to get webmentions working for a few of my websites and never bothered to develop it much past that point.

Re: Webmention.io

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Post by wiml »

xrd wrote: post #10

At first, I didn't get it. Pingbacks, isn't that from the 90s? Then, I thought: does this mean the bar for joining a conversation on my publication is that you have to publish something too? That seems like a nice bar to set for asking both parties in a conversation to be fully engaged. Trolls seem like they will be too lazy to do that.

Right, this is effectively an updated version of pingbacks (pingbacks from ca. 2000, webmention from ca. 2010). See last month's HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26258557
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