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Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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But it's not efficient, is it? These people could be doing something more productive with their time than staffing a checkout in order to make small talk.

I have heard from employees at supermarkets that shrinkage with self checkout is elevated to the point it does not really matter.

You mean theft? Isn't shrinkage just term for employee theft?

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

#162
There will be a market for both automated and manned grocery stores in the future.

Until we have developed artificial general intelligence, I wouldn't trust a computer to recommend a cheese to with a certain kind of crackers. In stores with a reasonably wide selection of goods, I usually have to ask for the location of at least one thing.

Although locating stuff _could_ be solved by looking it up with an app, I would rather pay the markup. And I'm quite certain that a lot of other people will, because as opposed to with a lot of other goods, you're often low on time when shopping for groceries. I guess the urgency of shopping is why online grocery shopping hasn't taken off as much as even I would have predicted a few years ago.

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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I used to work at a major multi-billion dollar retailer. One of the biggest complaints from customers was waiting at the check out line, especially for small, quick orders. This is the future of grocery stores, like it or not. Employees are expensive and make mistakes, whereas machines are cheap, don't take breaks, and work pretty reliably once you set them up correctly.

machines implement stupid broken ux patterns which make shopping hell. on edit: evidently people would like their supermarket checkout experience to be as pleasing as the typical online shopping experience, thus a quick downvote.

God, I wish buying things in person was as smooth as buying them online. Being able to add and remove things from your cart in near zero time, being able to shop at any time of day, being able to search for things by name If I could get all my groceries delivered at negligible cost I would do so

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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I'm hoping this can have even wider implications for society and the way people interact. In rural Sweden the last decade all the small local village stores have totally disappeared. This means that when people who are spread around the countryside could previously just cycle a few kilometers to a nearby shop, they now need to take their car and drive (say) 25 kilometers to the nearest town - which also has usually built an out-of-town shopping area that sprawls enormous car-parking over land that might previously have been forest or farmland.

The roads are therefore constantly clogged by speeding cars, and have become seriously bike-hostile, discouraging local interactions even more.

I think these small stores could actually become a focus for local activity again - even without staff.

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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My grocery store has a self-scan and checkout that works on trust basis with random audits. Some stores had to get rid of it because of stealing, but thankfully mine has kept it. I find it very fast and don't mind the occasional audits at all. Small price to pay, and still faster than if I had stayed in line.

The value the self-scan systems have for the shop owners is not in automation but the fact the work is reported on customer, with of course no price reduction. That should be forbidden. I boycott those systems and wait for the human clerk to do his job, this way a little of the money made by the shop is redistributed.

No price reduction as compared to what? Maybe all the prices would be 0.5% higher if all the checkout was human-only? At the end of the day, the customer is paying for most everything in the shop. (They're the one bringing the money into the system. There may be a small amount of payment for placement or other advertising, or financing via invoices, but the vast majority of money coming into the shop is coming from customers.)

I can't see a reason why self-checkouts should be forbidden. If people don't like them, don't use them. Why should people who do like them be forbidden from shopping in a way that they prefer?

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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post #162

There will be a market for both automated and manned grocery stores in the future. Until we have developed artificial general intelligence, I wouldn't trust a computer to recommend a cheese to with a certain kind of crackers. In stores with a reasonably wide selection of goods, I usually have to ask for the location of at least one thing. Although locating stuff _could_ be solved by looking it up with an app, I would…

Couldn't this be replace with roaming alexa style bots on r even something stationary at the end of each aisle?

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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It's not only that, it's the fact that the stores have externalised the checkout process to customers themselves. I could never understood why should I, as a client, do the work that someone else can do for me (and more reliably, of course)? It's win-win, I'm not stressed at doing something wrong, I can do something else while my products are checked out and that person doing the product checkout also has a job. But…

> I can do something else while my products are checked out But the point is we don't need the 'while my products are checked out' step. We could skip that. You save time, save more people handling what you're buying, save them having to staff a checkout and freeing them to do something else instead. That's the real win-win.

> freeing them to do something else instead.

Yes, the'll be busy looking for other jobs.

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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Thats a really good point regarding EU citizens having access to this service. Swedish services are thoroughly tied to the bankid/personnal number. There is a EU regulation [1] somewhat related to this that prevent sellers from discriminating the availability of goods based on your place of residence. I wonder if this regulation applies to these shops. A couple of paragraphs are particularly interesting, #18 and #19:…

I'm pretty sure the regulation is violated all the time everywhere, i.e. vending machines that require some local electronic card (e.g. to prove your age for sigarettes). It's a pity, of course, but not a "new" problem.

Which EU countries have cigarette vending machines? I've never seen such a thing, in the countries I shop they're behind a cashier. Sometimes even hidden so that if you don't know what to ask for you're not getting it.

Re: Shops return to rural Sweden but are now staff-free

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post #162

There will be a market for both automated and manned grocery stores in the future. Until we have developed artificial general intelligence, I wouldn't trust a computer to recommend a cheese to with a certain kind of crackers. In stores with a reasonably wide selection of goods, I usually have to ask for the location of at least one thing. Although locating stuff _could_ be solved by looking it up with an app, I would…

My store will shop for you, and deliver to your car. So if you value the time, that's a solution here.
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