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Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by fomine3 »

Aeolun wrote: post #395
neonological wrote: post #288

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Intellij allows you to install pretty much most of the features from all the other jetbrains IDEs as plugins. Additionally most of their IDE's have the ability to code in several other languages seperate from the core experience. Almost all of their IDE's can for example integrate with the javascript ecosystem. I think you're making a mistake here. Essentially behind the scenes there's one jetbrains IDE. This IDE is…

> Almost all of their IDE's can for example integrate with the javascript ecosystem. That’s mainly because they don’t have a Javascript specific editor. I cannot even syntax highlight groovy files in PhpStorm, even though I’m paying for the full pack. But I think that is literally my only gripe with Jetbrains :)

IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate + PHP (and other) Plugin doesn't work?

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by firephreek »

africanboy wrote: post #378
firephreek wrote: post #330

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> Intellij git integration in comparison, in my opinion, it's barely usable and generally counter intuitive. You're going to have to explain that one to me. I don't know what part of `ctrl+k`, comment, `ctrl+enter` to commit is difficult. Keeps my hands on the keyboard and head in the code. Time to push? `ctrl+shift+k`. Update? `ctrl+t`. I have yet to find any IDE that performs as well as IntelliJ et al.

> I don't know what part of `ctrl+k`, comment, `ctrl+enter` to commit is difficult. who said difficult? training wheels are not difficukt to use, but that's not how biking actually works. > I have yet to find any IDE that performs as well as IntelliJ et al. fortunately, there are different kinds of people.

Forgive me, 'unusable'. Hardly training wheels in any case.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by hashkb »

masklinn wrote: post #61
hashkb wrote: post #6

LSP is a huge deal and ought to allow all kinds of new editing tools to empower users with the kind of things we used to get scoffed at by Visual Studio users for living without. Vim is now as "full featured" as VSC and I have some bet winnings to collect. Edit: corrected autocorrect

> the kind of things we used to get scoffed at by Visual Studio users for living without. Needing to buy thirdparty addons to get basic refactoring tools? Because for a very long time that was the VS experience, it was incredibly bare-bones compared to the equivalent Java IDEs.

No offense; I couldn't care less about Java personally. I just mean Intellisense (at all) was this hammer I kept getting hit with. IntelliJ too. I just kept on with vim+google and now the playing field is level. And I'm still getting more work done and paying less.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by thu2111 »

dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #382
thu2111 wrote: post #375

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Another important point: JetBrains have long experience of competing against well funded free competitors. In fact they have grown in an environment where there have always been such products: first NetBeans, then Eclipse, now VS Code. Subsidising IDEs has been a common tactic for a long time, VS Code is nothing new. The story is always the same: such IDEs grow quickly for a while because their price is zero, but eve…

This argument is a compelling case for JetBrains and I hope it proves out. > They cannot lose interest or make self-destructive decisions because the IDEs are their core revenue stream. But this can be said about Microsoft as well. IDEs are not the core of their revenue stream, but they're near the core, because "developers, developers, developers, developers" is still true. They're a software company, they make oper…

That argument is true for Visual Studio. Not VS Code, which is Microsoft's "rewrite moment". Visual Studio is targeted at Windows apps, which you have to pay Microsoft to use. VS Code is targeted at web apps, which people run on Linux. The revenue impact is highly indirect: it's not like people will write more web apps than before now VS Code exists, somehow benefiting Azure.

They could try to do a reverse JetBrains and introduce an enhanced for-pay version. Supposedly they're already starting to do that with Python support, it seems. But starting commercial and going free is a lot easier than starting free and going commercial, in terms of user loyalty.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by tekknik »

passthejoe wrote: post #204
mhaberl wrote: post #131

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I had the same experience, used Visual Studio for C++, and years after C#, and Eclipse for Java projects. When JetBrains came along it really shined. I tried VS Code a couple of years ago for a few months for some scripting languages, it really is not bad, however JB IDEs are better for Java, Python, Ruby,.. even for frontend development - support for Angular and React is great. I bought the "all products pack" for i…

This is a decent investment for coders. Good tools make all the difference.

Also proper tools make all the difference. There’s a lot of pro IDE talk in this thread now but text editors exist for a reason

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by tekknik »

microtonal wrote: post #201
varispeed wrote: post #169

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The only reason I use VS Code is when I want to quickly check a file or create a PoC. PyCharm or CLion are just too slow and frustrating, but for bigger projects there is no better option than those, despite being awfully slow.

On what platform are you using these IDEs? I use CLion daily and it is very fast on my Linux machine with a Ryzen 3700X CPU. (I have heard complaints that the JetBrains IDEs are much slower on Macs, which also corresponds with my limited experience of using their IDEs on a Mac.)

There’s more too bootstrap so the IDE is slower. Plus setting the project up properly and so on. It’s not as simple as typing ‘$ code ‘ and starting to write as the editor pops up instantly. People’s definition of fast and instant are different. There’s absolutely no way an IDE can start faster than a text editor, otherwise text editors wouldn’t exist.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by neonological »

forsakenharmony wrote: post #400
neonological wrote: post #398

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Well being free is still a benefit. And it is much faster then then any jetbrains IDE. I prefer jetbrains like you, but some people like their apps to be really snappy.

The only thing where I really perceive VS Code to be faster is startup The rest might be a tiny bit slower but it more than makes up for it with better UI/UX, code always feels a bit awkward

I hit a file in Webstorm that literally freezes the app for 4 minutes while it analyzes the syntax. The same file in VScode was done within a couple of seconds. VSCode imo is definitively faster.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by jolux »

headmelted wrote: post #364
jolux wrote: post #328

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There just isn’t a C#/.NET plugin for IDEA that replicates the Rider functionality, though. Same with CLion and AppCode. They do ship Ruby and Python and PHP plugins. The JavaScript/web dev stuff is baked into all of their IDEs.

Which means IDEA does not contain all the features of the individual IDEs. The thing is, I’m confident in saying the plugins don’t replicate 100% of the feature set of PhpStorm or WebStorm either, but I’d defer to someone from JetBrains who has first hand experience.

If you're confident, what features don't they have?

I subscribe to all their products so I can verify this :) I'm not sure why they don't have C# or C plugins but my guess is that it's because there's enough extra work in those IDEs that they want more money for them. Rider contains the ReSharper backend, which is a completely different application from IntelliJ.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by Aeolun »

neonological wrote: post #398
Aeolun wrote: post #396

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For a professional, jetbrains basically pays for itself within a day of starting to use it (in my opinion). I know a lot of people prefer VS code, but I frankly cannot imagine why.

Well being free is still a benefit. And it is much faster then then any jetbrains IDE. I prefer jetbrains like you, but some people like their apps to be really snappy.

This really depends. If I open 20 large projects in the same vs code workspace it literally dies.

Doing the same in Jetbrains IDE is painful, but possible.

Re: Reflections on IDEA vs VS Code

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Post by malkia »

ngc248 wrote: post #367
malkia wrote: post #252

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I wish JetBrains looked exactly into that, and deliver one IDE with above (^^^).

if you use intelliJ ultimate edition you have official plusing for all languages for ex: I work on golang, scala, python and JS using intellij ultimate.

I have to look again, but I don't think C++ and Rust were available from there...
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