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Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Relative to where? Looking up some statistics on violent crime rate by country, it doesn’t seem like the US is particularly an outlier.

Any other first-world nation? EDIT> It doesn't make sense to lump murder in with generic violent crime. The US is an outlier among developed countries for murder. This is much worse than having comparable levels of generic violent crime.

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Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Lifting a pen to write a cheque for 10,000 is identical in effort to doing the same thing to write a cheque for 10. Physical effort is not the only criteria we use to assign value. I don't believe that it's ethical to enforce my moral/ethical beliefs on other consenting adults.

So you would, I'm assuming they asked you so there's no issue of forcing beliefs on people. Why is 'forcing beliefs' even at question, you surely don't think whether you're forcing your beliefs on someone when the issue is carrying luggage? Or, maybe they're different classes of activity and you already realise this ...

Buying the time of a Nasa engineer and buying the time of a day labourer are different classes of activity. Just because it costs more for one than the other does not change the ethics of the situation.

You feel differently about someone charging for sex than someone charging to use their brain or their brawn, but that does not mean that everyone feels the same way. Why should your feeling rule the day and be enforced on adults who feel differently about it? Sounds like the church of old.

My initial post in this thread was about the legality of consenting adults engaging in whatever activities they both agree to. I tried to highlight the distinction being made and think it has a lot to do with slightly prudish notions of sexuality and frankly a notion that men and especially women aren't capable enough to make the correct choice for themselves.

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i think its also worth noting that actors really exaggerate how hard is it to look good on camera and it ends up discouraging people from improving their diet and exercise. you dont need a nutritionist, and a personal trainer, and to treat it like a full time jobs and get paid for it to look good. you need to clean up your diet and do resistance training at least 3 times a week for an hour, and be consistent.

"you need to clean up your diet and do resistance training at least 3 times a week for an hour, and be consistent." It takes a lot more than that. A good diet and moderate exercise will keep you in a slim/lean shape, but it won't get you Hollywood ripped. Actually having a muscular looking physic requires aggressive training, or naturally doing activity which requires lots of muscles (Dancing, climbing, acrobatics, s…

most people dont actually care about looking like Thor. if you want to have visible abs and a decent amount of muscle (brad pitt in fight club), that can be achieved in a couple years of training/dieting for the majority of people

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i think its also worth noting that actors really exaggerate how hard is it to look good on camera and it ends up discouraging people from improving their diet and exercise. you dont need a nutritionist, and a personal trainer, and to treat it like a full time jobs and get paid for it to look good. you need to clean up your diet and do resistance training at least 3 times a week for an hour, and be consistent.

Combine that with how a cleaned up diet typically either costs more time or more money and working ~60 hours a week on minimum wage, yeah, that is pretty hard for a lot of people.

not really.

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Either that or you learn to love everyone equally. I still think polyamory is O(n!) though.

I don't think that being a loving person requires you to be polyamorous. I think you can be sexually open and loving to one partner at a time, but accept that each individual partner may have an unknown time limit. This understanding that your relationships won't necessarily last forever doesn't require you to give up on emotions, nor to cheapen sex.

> I don't think that being a loving person requires you to be polyamorous.

Certainly not, but I'm pretty sure that, in order to be successfully polyamorous, one would need to be extremely loving and accepting.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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I don't really care if there's sex in films, but I just find it so extremely boring. I've seen it all before 100 times and it does nothing to advance the story (compared to implying that sex just happened), it's not creative, it's not original, it's not interesting, it's not dramatic, it's not funny, and I fast-forward it to avoid wasting 2 minutes of my life.

I've seen a number of pilots that showed-up caked in sex and f-bombs but by the time the series is a few episodes in, it gets traded up for plot and character building.

The worst example of sex in film has to be the sex scene in the Matrix trilogy. Easily the most boring two minutes of the whole thing. They didn't even show it going in so what's the point

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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I wonder if the answer isn't more mundane, money. Parents today seem to have no problem with their children seeing a movie where people are eviscerated on screen but won't let their kids see movies with sex in them. I found it funny that "Bridgerton", and "Game of Thrones" both produced with more sex, have been quite popular.

Putting aside parenting choices, the two types of images (sex and violence) are not equivalent. Sexual images produce a physiological response... you get horny. Violent images don’t really do much, maybe revulsion. But, other than that, not much at all. A picture of a bullet-ridden corpse will not make you want to shoot people. A picture of a naked chick having sex, on the other hand, will elicit a desire to have sex…

You have overlooked that some people can get an arousal from violence. Perhaps not a large enough part of the population to worry about.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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I don't think that being a loving person requires you to be polyamorous. I think you can be sexually open and loving to one partner at a time, but accept that each individual partner may have an unknown time limit. This understanding that your relationships won't necessarily last forever doesn't require you to give up on emotions, nor to cheapen sex.

> I don't think that being a loving person requires you to be polyamorous. Certainly not, but I'm pretty sure that, in order to be successfully polyamorous, one would need to be extremely loving and accepting.

>Certainly not, but I'm pretty sure that, in order to be successfully polyamorous, one would need to be extremely loving and accepting.

If they were that loving, they would have sufficed with less-amorous... It's because they're not that loving to any single person (but instead all about the quick gratification) that they look to expand their variety...

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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"In the early 2000s, there was a brief period where actresses pretended that their thinness was natural, almost accidental. Skinny celebrities confessed their love of burgers and fries in magazines; models undergoing profile interviews engaged in public consumption of pasta; leading ladies joked about how little they exercised and how much they hated it. It was all bullshit: no one looks like that without calorie res…

Another example of dehydrating for shirtless shots - Henry Cavill talks about doing just that for The Witcher in an interview on the Graham Norton Show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne5xD5XrzOc

Along with dehydration, I'm surprised he does not mention salt/carb manipulation, which I'm sure he did as well.

Step 7 here is likely counterintuitive for most - to look big and shredded you typically want to carb-load right before the camera comes out: https://www.bodybuilding.com/content/7-scientific-steps-to-c...

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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> I don't think that being a loving person requires you to be polyamorous. Certainly not, but I'm pretty sure that, in order to be successfully polyamorous, one would need to be extremely loving and accepting.

> Certainly not, but I'm pretty sure that, in order to be successfully polyamorous, one would need to be extremely loving and accepting. If they were that loving, they would have sufficed with less-amorous... It's because they're not that loving to any single person (but instead all about the quick gratification) that they look to expand their variety...

with all due respect, have you ever talked with a poly person or known one?
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