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Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

Lio wrote: post #471
NalNezumi wrote: post #361

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>Nudity in an unisex shower isn't about flirting and sex for a european. VERY hard to make a sweeping generalization under "European" in this context. I'm from Scandinavia and I'm fine with it, but my SO that is from France, bordering to Germany, always tell me how horrified she (still) gets when she cross the border and end up in changing rooms. Heard similar story from Italians.

If you’ve ever been to Iceland and visited one of their excellent spas or swimming pools you’ll come across the staff who’s job it is to watch you shower to ensure you’ve washed yourself properly. All of yourself. Properly. Having someone stare at you as you soap your junk is not a common experience across most of Europe based on the warnings in travel guides. If you want entry to the spa it’s something you just have…

I'm a USian and I could imagine folks here showing up for that and never bothering with the spa

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Post by bloodorange »

the8472 wrote: post #511
ABraidotti wrote: post #504

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Marvel movies are also made to export to a global audience looking for family-friendly entertainment. I'm sure some countries' censors would balk at sexual content as much as they would disagreeable political content.

They already make special cuts for china, extended editions for BD releases, director's cut, ... Couldn't they just make another cut for more conservative audiences that omits/tones down a few scenes?

Why would they do that when not spending any resources, time and money on having such scenes is more profitable as it doesn't appear to be hurting their viewership numbers?

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Post by devchix »

I wish the title had not been edited from its original: "Everyone is Beautiful and No One is Horny." It captures so much better the essence of this rambling incomprehensible thesis that action movies have many beautiful people not having any sex. Alternate title: "Everyone drives cars in cities and no one is seen parking." To use his example, Starship Trooper is an action movie with satirical subtext, it is not served by having more horny people bang. Every narrative has to be edited to GET TO THE POINT. And then he leans on this faulty premise to criticize a bunch of weirdly unrelated stuff, movies made after the 90s, the cluttered interiors, McMansions, swoles, BMIs and 9/11. What?

There's plenty of beautiful naked people having sex on screen, uncomfortably many. Where has this writer been? The Tudors, anachronistic boobs and asses and fornicating beautiful people since 2007. This formula was so successful it's repeated in Games of Thrones, the trope so commonly employed it earned the moniker of "sexposition", naked people banging + dialogue = sex + exposition. It's also repeated in Versailles, Outlander, and from what I've seen of ep.1 Bridgerton. There's also plenty of beautiful people having sex, or at least demonstrating their horny-ness in RomComs, Sleeping With Other People comes to mind. Somehow I don't think the author was the audience for any of the above. He's complaining that there's not enough horny people in the movies he is watching.

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Post by bloodorange »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #556
necovek wrote: post #418

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I optimize the way I put dishes in the dishwasher, I design my own closets so I'll have the best design for what I do every day (i.e. clothes I use regularly are close by) — eg. I hang my t-shirts because it's faster than folding them — etc. There are things that can be optimized in serving coffee too! And when you had enough, you can just start serving terrible coffee :D

Those things can be optimized, but the payoff for that optimization is pretty low.

That depends on how you measure the payoff.

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Post by [deleted] »

ggggtez wrote: post #585
smusamashah wrote: post #569

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How do people separate emotions from sex (i.e. changing/leaving partners). How do people do it without (emotional) bonding with the other person? I always thought the act itself is strongly emotional, isn't it? Will it be correct to say that cost of sexual freedom is emotional detachment from it?

You don't have to think of sex as this deep emotional bond between two people. In one sense, you've been tricked into believing that that is the only way. So one solution is to accept that sex can be just that: just sex. It can be something that you and a friend do, maybe regularly, maybe only once in a while. Like playing Tennis. You may be happy that you have a friend who you can play Tennis with. But you don't hav…

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Post by monoideism »

School-Cotton wrote: post #252
JabavuAdams wrote: post #191

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Any other first-world nation? EDIT> It doesn't make sense to lump murder in with generic violent crime. The US is an outlier among developed countries for murder. This is much worse than having comparable levels of generic violent crime.

What point is being made here, exactly? The OP was talking about American culture in general terms, not relative to “first-world nations” specifically, so shouldn’t the US’s murder rate relative to the median of all societies be more germane? Yes, the US ranks worse on some measures of development than similarly rich countries, including murder rate. This is not news to anyone. I don’t see the relevance to the presen…

You're wrong. I have great respect for my country and its traditions, and would never sneer at it. I'm also not for any additional gun legislation.

But for a variety of reasons (some of them not "politically correct" by some measures, such as inner-city gang-related crime), the US has a high murder rate vis-a-vis other developed countries. It's a fact. And why wouldn't you compare a country to similar countries? Or OK, we could say, the US has a comparable murder rate to poor countries and war zones. Or compared to the median of all countries? Well, once again, much higher than the median (~3.5 vs ~5.0). Quantitatively, there's a great deal of support for saying we're "fairly violent". Not "really violent", but "fairly violent".

We were discussing sex and violence in American movies, and tieing it to real-life phenomena, so it seems like an appropriate topic.

I understand why you're disdainful of people who hate their own country, but you're picking the wrong target.

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

notsureaboutpg wrote: post #226
Clewza313 wrote: post #165

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And sadly the next/upcoming big market, India, isn't any better than China when it comes to censorship.

I'm actually okay with this. I only watch movies with my family and I'm sick of having to pass up on actually interesting movies because they're excessively vulgar. If there was a service I could pay to censor movies for me, I would.

> If there was a service I could pay to censor movies for me,

We used to have a number of them. Cleanfilms was one. Send them a DVD, they'd sanitize the content onto another disc, ruin the original and send you both.

Legacy copyright gatekeepers couldn't resist their own compulsions for control - they systematically sued CF and others out of existence.

ref:https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=554802...

ref:https://www.audioholics.com/news/studios-sue-family-friendly...

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Post by potatosalad12 »

engineeringwoke wrote: post #601
globular-toast wrote: post #595

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And what is "not natural" about any of that? Some people naturally regulate their intakes such that they don't get fat. It's not a conscious effort on their part. They eat what they want to and don't get fat. It's as simple as that. There are certain breeds of dogs and cats that will eat until it makes them sick and easily get fat. Other breeds don't. Even with food readily available they just don't get fat. Humans a…

So I'm guessing you're fat?

Don't be rude

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

hntrader wrote: post #588

I don't really care if there's sex in films, but I just find it so extremely boring. I've seen it all before 100 times and it does nothing to advance the story (compared to implying that sex just happened), it's not creative, it's not original, it's not interesting, it's not dramatic, it's not funny, and I fast-forward it to avoid wasting 2 minutes of my life.

I've seen a number of pilots that showed-up caked in sex and f-bombs but by the time the series is a few episodes in, it gets traded up for plot and character building.

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Post by plzbo »

BunsanSpace wrote: post #602
plzbo wrote: post #553

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What is a PED? You mean performance-enhancing drugs? I wanted to read the article you linked to, but seems like they have a region lock for EU countries. Its been what, nearly three years since GDPR took effect? > Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU mar…

PED is a broad term for Performance-enhancing drugs. There's two big categories, SARMs and Roids. Everyone knows roids, you take them, you get big. SARMs are lesser known but tend to lower body fat while preserving/gaining muscle (since normal cutting routine you will lose lots of muscle). There's also fat burning drugs which are their own third category with DNP and Clenbuterol being the most common. Both are very d…

Thanks for this answer, I don't go into the gym so I only knew steroids, and wasn't sure about the rest.
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