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Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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No ones bought it up but to me it seems an issue of of coercion and consent. Even if prostitution was 100% legal it should absolutely be up to the prostitute on a case by case basis when, where, who and how they had paid sex. On that basis your boss who inherently has power over you being able to ask for sex is to close to exploitation and easy to see how it can be abused. We should note this abuse is already all too…

That's a very good point: basically, it's easy to support sexual work as "contractor work", where the "working party" can choose who they work with, without any long-term commitment (or at least, simple way to break off the contract). An employment contract is significantly different in that employer gets to decide who the work is done for by the employee.

Not so fast. Can a landlord refuse to rent to someone because they are black, because they have children, because of their political affiliation?

Once sex work becomes legal, then it has to abide by the same rules as everyone else.

They are going to get a lot of customers that many of them would probably not want to touch if they were not getting paid to do so.

... and in many cases that will be exactly why they are getting paid to do so.

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"Compare this to homes in films now: massive, sterile cavernous spaces with minimalist furniture. Kitchens are industrial-sized and spotless, and they contain no food. There is no excess. There is no mess." Finally, it's not just me. I can't stand these sterile looking homes and kitchen especially. For the same reason, I am not a huge fan of sterile looking restaurant tables either. The author evokes the emotions beh…

> "Don't cook. Don't clean. No man will ever make love to a woman because she waxed the linoleum, "My God, the floor's immaculate! Lie down, you hot bitch." This is technically true, but most men and women will probably be significantly less interested in making love to you if you're living in a filthy home. Sufficient and necessary conditions and all...

Yeah agreed but the home need not be spotless clean/sterile. Let me take that back, cleanliness with a certain vibe is perfectly fine. Like some homes you walk into, you get this amazingly welcoming and warm vibe, and the home will be spotless. This is very rare though. Most sterile homes you enter, are devoid of any warmth.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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"Compare this to homes in films now: massive, sterile cavernous spaces with minimalist furniture. Kitchens are industrial-sized and spotless, and they contain no food. There is no excess. There is no mess." Finally, it's not just me. I can't stand these sterile looking homes and kitchen especially. For the same reason, I am not a huge fan of sterile looking restaurant tables either. The author evokes the emotions beh…

But if it doesn't support the narrative it's weird to point out that the kitchen isn't messy. Maybe they got home after a trip/mission? Why would it be messy?

I'm very pleased by this minimalist interior design. You can achieve interesting designs and keep it minimal.

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So why is 100% sex work less exploitative than 50% sex work? Gotta say that often questions like this are often as just taken as ways to win rhetorical points and not thought about seriously by those who ask them. But there's actually a good answer. Yes, sex work is extremely exploitative in the sense that you selling a "big piece" of yourself. Which doesn't mean it should be illegal but it should segregated. Why? Ot…

Honestly those examples you provided take a lot more skill and effort than most people put into exploitive sex. The consequences of doing those examples “wrong” are far higher, too, e.g. loss of life or limb. I think a better retort would be that people want professional jobs where their contribution is based on seemingly objective merit. If 50% of your performance is judged by one person in an entirely subjective wa…

Most people have no job protection whatsoever.

Could just as easily argue that providing sexual services increases her job security.

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It's probably a part of it. People rarely associate nudity with sex when in a sauna -- it's simply too hot. :D

60 degs sauna are perfect for some hot games ;-)

60 deg is not a sauna, it's a mildly warm room.

I was actually surprised when moving to Sweden that saunas are typically no more that 65-70 deg and that everyone wears swimwear. Completely different to e.g. Germany.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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post #449

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> "Don't cook. Don't clean. No man will ever make love to a woman because she waxed the linoleum, "My God, the floor's immaculate! Lie down, you hot bitch." This is technically true, but most men and women will probably be significantly less interested in making love to you if you're living in a filthy home. Sufficient and necessary conditions and all...

Yeah agreed but the home need not be spotless clean/sterile. Let me take that back, cleanliness with a certain vibe is perfectly fine. Like some homes you walk into, you get this amazingly welcoming and warm vibe, and the home will be spotless. This is very rare though. Most sterile homes you enter, are devoid of any warmth.

What if a cold, dark style matches the owner? Is a "warm" home objectively the best?

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Not true. It’s not uncommon for a toddler to find a private place to defecate without being told. There is an innate sense of a need for privacy for some things.

Are you sure that's not learned behaviour? I've only ever seen it in older kids. I'd hypothesise it follows "expert" advise that suggests what I consider very late potty training.

Well consider 1 year olds will do it (my daughter did it when wearing diapers) even though we have no indication it was needed.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Not true. It’s not uncommon for a toddler to find a private place to defecate without being told. There is an innate sense of a need for privacy for some things.

I will now point you towards mainland China, where kids as old as 90 will shit in the streets. I’m not kidding either (although this is changing in the larger cities.... slowly)

That’s learned behavior.

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Is this a side effect of normalizing porn, that sexuality is more effectively partitioned? I once had a debate in an online forum about legalizing prostitution, and most participants were supportive of it. Then I asked the same group, what about legalizing partial prostitution, like a receptionist that also has sex with the boss as part of the job description. The participants all immediately switched to revulsion at…

> why is 100% sex work less exploitative than 50% sex work? I oppose receptionist that also has sex with the boss. Exploitation has nothing to do with that. At least in my world view, having sex at workplace is unprofessional. First of all, spending corporate or investor's money on paying sex workers is wrong. Even if the boss is the sole owner of the company i.e. spending their own money, boss fucking a receptionist…

Why is spending investor's money on sex workers any more wrong then spending it on other job perks?

What's "unhealthy" about boss having sex with receptionist.

Got news for you: it already happens a lot :)

As far as employees who have families, can't they just go poly if they don't want to risk being fired?

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Is this a side effect of normalizing porn, that sexuality is more effectively partitioned? I once had a debate in an online forum about legalizing prostitution, and most participants were supportive of it. Then I asked the same group, what about legalizing partial prostitution, like a receptionist that also has sex with the boss as part of the job description. The participants all immediately switched to revulsion at…

The reason why “50%” sex work shouldn’t be legal is because job descriptions change over time so it could easily be the case that every attractive women with a male boss suddenly has to have sex with them or be fired for not completing their job description. Sure, a lot of women can quit, but exploitation already happens now when it is illegal so if the law was on the exploiters side things would only get worse.

Things wouldn't get worse ... they'd just have to start paying taxes on it.
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