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Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by dTal »

Sebb767 wrote: post #273
dopidop wrote: post #240

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Correct. But a movie about incest, rape or pedophilia would probably not quality. « Oh you got a les cousins dangereux dolls honey. So cute »

Game of Thrones is/was very popular despite featuring all of these (maybe except pedophilia)

Because it featured all of those. People would justify it as "a gritty and realistic portrayal of historical attitudes", but any historian will tell you that's a load of bull; it was basically just porn. A good partial deconstruction of GoT's shallow relationship with reality can be found here:

https://acoup.blog/2020/12/04/collections-that-dothraki-hord...

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Post by mns »

127 wrote: post #319
planet-and-halo wrote: post #76

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I'm not trying to glorify a life of reckless abandon, but in the context of the actual article, it's a little concerning to me that normal parts of human life like humor and sexuality seem to be a negative to you, and we should instead strive for "sobriety." That seems a rather grim view of human existence. I'm also not sure I can take seriously the notion that somehow this is a more serious moment in history than al…

In my opinion that (as a mainstream social narrative) is a false dilemma. The real division is between casual relationships and long relationships. The message I got as a young person is that casual sex should be celebrated and endorsed. That is a lie. Casual sex erodes long, meaningful relationships. It makes it that much harder to commit. Long relationships are how functional families are built. Functional families…

I think you are having a very idealised vision of society and families. You would be surprised to see what lies beneath all those "functional" families of the past. To my experience, having an active sex life (not talking here about carelessness) and multiple partners, even one night stands, could be quite helpful for someone and help them open up and experience life.

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Post by hntrader »

astrange wrote: post #223
noofen wrote: post #157

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There are going to be real, significant consequences from us as a Western society collectively deciding to commit civilizational suicide. Every day I see attractive, intelligent, productive, highly empathetic couples justifying their decision to not have children because of abstract "environmental concerns" amongst other decadent reasons (all highly abstract and indicative of civilization in decline, "first world lux…

> I know the utopian liberal vision is "we're all created equal," but it simply is not true with the scientific consensus being that IQ is 50-70% heritable [3]. "heritable" does not mean "genetic", please stop reading fake science and slatestarcodex comments. Children exist in the same environment and have the same nutrition as their parents. Besides that, most published scientific results are false, so why are you b…

  "Children exist in the same environment."
Wrong. There are twin studies that establish this.

But I get it, you are only pro-science when you happen to agree with the conclusions already.

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Post by onorton »

Sebb767 wrote: post #273
dopidop wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. But a movie about incest, rape or pedophilia would probably not quality. « Oh you got a les cousins dangereux dolls honey. So cute »

Game of Thrones is/was very popular despite featuring all of these (maybe except pedophilia)

Not explicit but Ser Meryn comes to mind.

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Post by aasasd »

lstamour wrote: post #349
aksss wrote: post #291

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That guy knew what was up. Does all of this just flow out of the technology that turns high population societies into behaving like low population communities? The lack of privacy, the moralizing.. combined with a too-far removed central authority? Is that the dynamic that Orwell was able to see?

It’s worth pointing out that Orwell wasn’t so much predicting a future as commenting on current trends. For instance https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4412199/ or https://www.jstor.org/stable/27673024 My point is not that the above articles are definitive but to show that the more things change, the more they stay the same, etc.

Now that's some specialized knowledge. How do the stars even line up so that someone with the insight on British sex practices of the fourties, lands precisely in a random thread mentioning Orwell's writing on the matter?

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Post by erk__ »

teekert wrote: post #369
leveleer323 wrote: post #340

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I agree with the gist of the post expect walking around naked. I don't know if its a right thing to be naked around children. I am too biased to be brought up growing with clothes on, haven't thought or heard the argument of the other side.

You don't know if it's right to be naked around children? How are they supposed to learn about normal bodies? Here in the Netherlands a new children's TV program started: [0], kids ask naked people questions. I applaud it, finally, a source of naked that is not porn, The kids ask stuff like: "What are you most ashamed of about your body" and things about new hair growth they are about to experience, not even sex so f…

Seems that they got the idea from a Danish show which similaryly got "controversy" around it because it was unusual.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/ult...

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Post by deepGem »

"Compare this to homes in films now: massive, sterile cavernous spaces with minimalist furniture. Kitchens are industrial-sized and spotless, and they contain no food. There is no excess. There is no mess."

Finally, it's not just me. I can't stand these sterile looking homes and kitchen especially. For the same reason, I am not a huge fan of sterile looking restaurant tables either. The author evokes the emotions behind such feelings better than I can, but it reminds of a famous Joan Rivers joke on the Johny Carson show.

"Don't cook. Don't clean. No man will ever make love to a woman because she waxed the linoleum, "My God, the floor's immaculate! Lie down, you hot bitch."

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Post by Mauricebranagh »

Fetishizing and Desexualising is a non sequitur.

And the author must have not watched the same wonder woman if they didn't get Steve and Diana's connection.

Oh and the reason they don't show food /eating in kitchens is that filming scenes where the actors are eating is problematic given the number of takes needed.

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Post by xg15 »

deepGem wrote: post #447

"Compare this to homes in films now: massive, sterile cavernous spaces with minimalist furniture. Kitchens are industrial-sized and spotless, and they contain no food. There is no excess. There is no mess." Finally, it's not just me. I can't stand these sterile looking homes and kitchen especially. For the same reason, I am not a huge fan of sterile looking restaurant tables either. The author evokes the emotions beh…

> "Don't cook. Don't clean. No man will ever make love to a woman because she waxed the linoleum, "My God, the floor's immaculate! Lie down, you hot bitch."

This is technically true, but most men and women will probably be significantly less interested in making love to you if you're living in a filthy home.

Sufficient and necessary conditions and all...

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Post by chromanoid »

refurb wrote: post #363
JimBlackwood wrote: post #352

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Kids don’t know if something is good, bad, weird or whatever until they’re told. If you are fine not wearing clothes, and do it in your home, your kids wont think anything of it.

Not true. It’s not uncommon for a toddler to find a private place to defecate without being told. There is an innate sense of a need for privacy for some things.

A private place is often a good idea, so predators wont eat you when you are so vulnerable. There are many places where nakedness is the norm and the naked people will probably still search for private places when defecating.
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