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Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by aksss »

blacksqr wrote: post #219
kbutler wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The public clamor for “$2k” checks, which comprise less than 1/4 of the $1.9 trillion dollar package that’s now entering reconciliation proves pretty strongly that the public is not sensitive to the cost of their government “benefits”. The Democratic Party has never been particularly concerned about taxes and debt. The Republican Party is periodically concerned about it, but mostly when they don’t control the governm…

Clinton and Obama were the only presidents to lower the deficit in the last 50 years. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/31/fac...

Yeah, but that happened with the other party controlling the purse strings, in both cases, who were voted in as a reaction to those administrations with financial mandates.

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Post by hoseja »

prirun wrote: post #317

I have never understood why nudity and consensual sex - basically harmless activities - are deeply frowned on by the ratings groups, yet stabbing someone in the throat and having their blood gush out everywhere is fine and dandy. Everyone knows that men have dicks. Why is seeing one such a big deal? Or a butt for that matter: everybody has one! It's no wonder our society is screwed up when it comes to our bodies. We…

Sex and associated shame are used for social control by most major religions. Violence, on the other hand, is used for competition with other societies so it's "good" when people are inoculated against it. It's not about human wellbeing. It's about human resource efficiency.

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Post by prox »

prirun wrote: post #317

I have never understood why nudity and consensual sex - basically harmless activities - are deeply frowned on by the ratings groups, yet stabbing someone in the throat and having their blood gush out everywhere is fine and dandy. Everyone knows that men have dicks. Why is seeing one such a big deal? Or a butt for that matter: everybody has one! It's no wonder our society is screwed up when it comes to our bodies. We…

There is even the effect imo that it creates a gap in development. You never learn the different modes of nudity and that it can be more than sexual. Because what is implied as well, is that a nude body surely MUST mean sex. Which is a gross simplification. The amount of folks who equate nudity with porn is staggering (and unhealthy, as the article reasons as well)

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Post by wooolfgang »

airhead969 wrote: post #325

Fuck all that mass-media social programming propaganda. Murder and violence are "okay," while sex and sexuality are "bad." I'll walk around naked, look at women, and hookup whenever I damn well please. Sex is awesome, bodies are beautiful, and no shame is necessary for either. Films that cannot be made in modern America: - Laura, les ombres de l'été (1979) - Lolita (either) - Pretty Baby (1978) - Caligula (1979) - Ro…

oh boy, I remember teenage me watching Malena for the first time. such an awakening!

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Post by Kosirich »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #111
croes wrote: post #90

Her take on the Starship troopers shower scene seems to be an american point of view. Nudity in an unisex shower isn't about flirting and sex for a european. Paul Verhoeven was naked too while filming it, because the actors felt uncomfortable at first.

I'm not american (Nor european) but I would still be extremely uncomfortable in an all-male shower let alone a unisex shower. I'm curious what you think the reasons that nudity is not as big of a deal to Europeans are.

The openness towards nudity amongst Europeans has changed and has been changing significantly. The most noticeable is through the closings or re-brandings of nudist camps as numbers have been falling for years now. There are articles discussing why, but essentially this generation is way more ashamed of their bodies than the previous one. This is mostly apparent among the Germans, French and Scandinavian who were the most open about it.

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Post by pmarreck »

airhead969 wrote: post #325

Fuck all that mass-media social programming propaganda. Murder and violence are "okay," while sex and sexuality are "bad." I'll walk around naked, look at women, and hookup whenever I damn well please. Sex is awesome, bodies are beautiful, and no shame is necessary for either. Films that cannot be made in modern America: - Laura, les ombres de l'été (1979) - Lolita (either) - Pretty Baby (1978) - Caligula (1979) - Ro…

Porky’s!

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Post by lstodd »

randycupertino wrote: post #280
noofen wrote: post #157

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There are going to be real, significant consequences from us as a Western society collectively deciding to commit civilizational suicide. Every day I see attractive, intelligent, productive, highly empathetic couples justifying their decision to not have children because of abstract "environmental concerns" amongst other decadent reasons (all highly abstract and indicative of civilization in decline, "first world lux…

Most childless couples I know feel it's unethical to have children with impending environmental collapse. Why would you want to bring children into the world with global warming, mass climate migration and other horrific things likely to happen within their lifetimes?

> Why would you want to bring children into the world with global warming, mass climate migration and other horrific things likely to happen within their lifetimes?

Because not bringing them in is defeatism. Suicide in fact.

If you want to solve the problem, children are ones who can do it, and your task is to prepare them to do it.

If you flunk from this, you are the reason the world fails.

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Post by lstodd »

tayo42 wrote: post #99
rayiner wrote: post #46

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> This stresses me out as a young and not sexually active millennial. What do we do as a society to improve some of these trends? Do we want to? What do I do as an individual to change my individual situation? Why do we need to? The data shows that sex, drug use, etc., actually peaked with baby boomers. They were peak frivolity. It’s only because they created all the media for decades that we think those were good th…

How did boomers use more drugs? Since the boomer generation we had a crack epidemic, 2 heroine, 1 of those mixed with prescription opiates, and a non stop meth problem. Marijuana is legal in a bunch of states now. Psychedelics are having a revival. Mdma didn't even exist until recently and there have been two waves of rave culture

MDMA was everywhere since 1970-s. What 'recently' are you talking about?

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Post by fogihujy »

prox wrote: post #328
ZephyrBlu wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not american (Nor european) but I would still be extremely uncomfortable in an all-male shower let alone a unisex shower. I'm curious what you think the reasons that nudity is not as big of a deal to Europeans are.

Some parts of Europe have a sauna culture, and not uncommon to go with friends (m/f)

It's probably a part of it. People rarely associate nudity with sex when in a sauna -- it's simply too hot. :D

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Post by leveleer323 »

airhead969 wrote: post #325

Fuck all that mass-media social programming propaganda. Murder and violence are "okay," while sex and sexuality are "bad." I'll walk around naked, look at women, and hookup whenever I damn well please. Sex is awesome, bodies are beautiful, and no shame is necessary for either. Films that cannot be made in modern America: - Laura, les ombres de l'été (1979) - Lolita (either) - Pretty Baby (1978) - Caligula (1979) - Ro…

I agree with the gist of the post expect walking around naked. I don't know if its a right thing to be naked around children. I am too biased to be brought up growing with clothes on, haven't thought or heard the argument of the other side.
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