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Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by ddtaylor » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 5:28 AM UTC

XiJInPaddington wrote: post #269

dang wrote: post #334

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(This is a stub reply so I can collapse the various comments responding to this, so as not to distract too much from the rest of the thread. Sorry, non-JS users.)

"As a nudge in that direction, I've...downweighted the generic subthreads which were rising to the top like bloated balloons and crowding out more interesting discussion (as typically happens in these cases)." - dang, master of HN "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.” Honestly it's sad how people on this website are okay with this Maoist nonsense, con…

HN is becoming more of an 'old boys club' day by day.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by bordercases » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 5:45 AM UTC

justin66 wrote: post #252

bordercases wrote: post #232

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This equivalent of "RTFM" is a hostile percept for communication, as it implies that it is right to hide or obfuscate relevant information so that the speaker has less of a job to do when producing clear speech. There are benefits to "RTFM". They may involve making sure there are shared assumptions during speech that allow further speech to be economized equitably between speaker and receiver. They may involve the in…

> it really shouldn't be the job of the audience to figure anything out in the first place Words to avoid living by.

Things can be made endlessly complicated, or absolutely simple. So it's better to lean towards simplicity as one can converge towards minimal confusion.

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Post by jeromenerf » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 5:55 AM UTC

graeme wrote: post #70

I follow CGP Grey’s stuff and it’s been interesting and instructive to see how he diversified. * His Youtube channel is his main platform * However, the money mostly comes from patreon subscribers, and you can also have videos delivered there * He also earns income from a podcast, Cortex * The Podcast has its own brand of sellable things, currently journals and Tshirts * He had a second podcast, hello internet, curre…

> So it is layers and layers of redundancy, built on a mix of other platforms and also two he controls directly (email and rss)

Not really.

There is some kind of "channel" redundancy but no "revenue streams" diversification outside ads and patreon.

Without actually paying for content, one can usually find:

- google ads, low effort low reward - brand sponsorships, high effort, fixed reward - patreon subscriptions, high effort high reward - tips and super chats and twitch - sometimes brave BAT rewards

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by cko » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 5:58 AM UTC

rtpg wrote: post #224

simias wrote: post #143

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> However, the money mostly comes from patreon subscribers, and you can also have videos delivered there Did he break that down publicly or do you get your info from elsewhere? I've always been curious to know what a typical high profile youtuber income flow looks like, and how much they're really tied to Youtube.

The thing I've heard is "1,000 views = $1". I don't know how true that is anymore but it's my metric. Mark Brown, of Game Maker's Toolkit, puts out vids on Youtube that get a couple hundred thousand views (1 or 2 vids a month). So he could theoretically get a couple hundred from those. But his Patreon following nets him a couple thousand a month ($11k!) When you have niche content you can end up getting way more per…

Youtube ad rates seem really high for the personal finance dudes. Graham Stephan and Andre Jikh come to mind.

I think that genre allows for showing those scammy get rich quick motivational guru type ads, which pay well. Everyone else has to be sponsored by ExpressVPN and CuriosityStream.

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Post by erk__ » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 6:02 AM UTC

imwillofficial wrote: post #149

erk__ wrote: post #58

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DRM Free movie downloads, also it supports better quality video. Though those are things that work because they do not have the same kind of customers/creators as YouTube in general.

You're right, but that misses the point of the exodus from Youtube, people aren't leaving over DRM or video quality. They are leaving because the precarious relationship with a capricious overlord. Their livelyhoods are in somebody elses hands.

Yeah, but they are not leaving to vimeo, and vimeo are not trying to get them to use it.

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Post by desiarnezjr » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 6:04 AM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #286

brailsafe wrote: post #284

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I never really thought of it that way, but I suppose you're probably right to some extent. Though I'd wager you could achieve similar technical/artistic results with a decent local college that has an arts program or an engineering school. I always thought it was a suprising success, because he's actually located quite a distance from Vancouver proper, in kind of a suburb called Langley. As a local, I've been there a…

As a person in the Vancouver area: a lot of the film industry is out in east Burnaby, the industrial area of New West/Poco/Coquitlam, Surrey and the Fraser Valley for access to lower cost warehouse space, for sound stages/sets, and parking spaces... I don't know precisely where the Linus studios are but I wouldn't be surprised if they're in the industrial area near the south side of the golden ears bridge.

Most of the Hallmark Christmas movies are filmed around Langley and Fort Langley. All of them maybe. :)

LTT is probably only 20 minutes away, not that there's any association.

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Post by erk__ » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 6:06 AM UTC

judge2020 wrote: post #278

erk__ wrote: post #58

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DRM Free movie downloads, also it supports better quality video. Though those are things that work because they do not have the same kind of customers/creators as YouTube in general.

> DRM Free movie downloads This isn't even remotely related to Vimeo or YouTube. If you're talking about movies legitimately published by the rights owners not being DRM'd on Vimeo, then there's nothing stopping the studio from uploading a DRM-free version to YouTube as well. IF you're talking about piracy simply because Vimeo doesn't have Content ID, then that's also just a failure of Vimeo and/or the studios not re…

No I was talking about video on demand, if you try pretty much any other service for it none of them allows creators to upload drm free files for the user to download. Sure you can upload a file "drm free" to YouTube but it is not download able and there is put drm on them.

This is of course something that is unrelated to the greater discussion in this post, but it have been something I have found different on vimeo compared to elsewherein the past.

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Post by bryanrasmussen » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 6:07 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #127

All: please let's try to avoid repeating the generic discussion about how being on someone else's platform leaves you vulnerable to someone else. It's not wrong, of course, but it's been repeated for many years and won't lead to fresh conversation. The goal on HN is curious conversation. Curiosity likes diffs [1], not generics [2, 3]. Try to comment in a way that leads to a new place rather than an old place. The eas…

at any rate to me it doesn't look that they are leaving youtube to get out from under google's oppressive thumb, but rather that they are trying to get more of the money by having their own distribution channel that serves their committed fans, and then release to youtube later for the less engaged user.

although I guess it is also a smart thing to still have something open if youtube suddenly decides to screw you over by algorithm.

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Post by roenxi » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 6:11 AM UTC

nomdep wrote: post #272

roenxi wrote: post #228

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Playing sport is not some radical edge case, nor is there anything to think about. Women can compete in women's sport. "Transgender women should not be in women's sports" is transphobic no matter what logic follows it. It is society not treating women as women. Adding a "because they are men" or not on the end doesn't change the level of transphobia much, the meaty part is the "no, I've decided you can't be treated a…

We are talking about body, not mind. Transgender women are women with a biological man body (otherwise we wouldn’t have this conversation.) So it is unfair for women with biological women body. The whole point of separating biological women of biological men in sports is to prevent that.

It is sport. The strong/fit win and the weak lose. It was never meant to be fair with respect to physical ability.

If we start from the premise that it is transphobic to say "Transgender women should not be in women's sports because they are men." then it is pretty clear that "Transgender women should not be in women's sports because they are biological men." is also transphobic. Otherwise we could end online transphobia with a couple of sed scripts in a chrome extension.

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Post by Minor49er » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 6:18 AM UTC

tux1968 wrote: post #299

Dylan16807 wrote: post #270

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> So as soon as we have this discussion, we have to admit there is a difference between a transgender woman and a woman. No we don't. If the criteria to compete is "you can have high testosterone or testicles but not both", that's not drawing a line between transgender women and cis women.

Sure, any biological woman can participate. And if everyone is cool with it, weaker biological men can participate too if they're not capable of competing in the male divisions. Maybe we need a third league for non-binary biology, or with divisions by level of proficiency rather than paying any attention to biological sex at all.

What exactly is "non-binary biology"?