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Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Having an R-rating didn't mean a lack of toys. "Alien" came out in 1979 to an R-rating. Yet a friend at the time (we were both 10) received a 12" (30cm) xenomorph action figure for Christmas.

Correct. But a movie about incest, rape or pedophilia would probably not quality. « Oh you got a les cousins dangereux dolls honey. So cute »

Most R movies have no incest, rape, or pedophilia, so I don't understand the point of your comment.

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Relative to where? Looking up some statistics on violent crime rate by country, it doesn’t seem like the US is particularly an outlier.

Any other first-world nation? EDIT> It doesn't make sense to lump murder in with generic violent crime. The US is an outlier among developed countries for murder. This is much worse than having comparable levels of generic violent crime.

What point is being made here, exactly? The OP was talking about American culture in general terms, not relative to “first-world nations” specifically, so shouldn’t the US’s murder rate relative to the median of all societies be more germane?

Yes, the US ranks worse on some measures of development than similarly rich countries, including murder rate. This is not news to anyone. I don’t see the relevance to the present discussion and suspect it was just an opportunity to sneer at the US for no reason.

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I wonder how much of it has to do with leftists and SJWs who would scream if sexual attraction between objectively beautiful people was shown on the big screen.

Body positivity, "Whiteness", and other deranged ideas are just not worth Hollywood fighting against.

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This was a fun read, especially as someone who grew up with those 80s and 90s movies. That said, and as the author touches on, the action/super hero of today is a PG-13 one. Studios need to reach the widest audience possible to make the most money, so it's a safer bet. Sure, back in the day studios had the same imperative, but the licensed toy game was still young, so they didn't realise that maybe if they made Die H…

I think PG-13 had more to do with it than anything else. If you’re coming from an R rating, reaching PG might destroy your movie. PG-13 is far more reachable. No one is trying to peddle serious quantities of Mean Girls merchandise.

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I think this is why British crime dramas / police procedurals seem to feel more real (to me, raised in a post-colonial country) - very few people look like temporarily financially embarrassed models slumming it as detectives.

I love this about British/ Nordic tv. It feels as though every show injects more gritty realism compared to US polish. There is a spectrum though and US is actually on the better end. Most Asian tv shows feature the a tiny pool of the same gorgeous people who may or may not have acting skills.

Just from my own observation recently it's also the case with French, German and Israeli TV. Much more nuanced, realistic etc.

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post #27

This was a fun read, especially as someone who grew up with those 80s and 90s movies. That said, and as the author touches on, the action/super hero of today is a PG-13 one. Studios need to reach the widest audience possible to make the most money, so it's a safer bet. Sure, back in the day studios had the same imperative, but the licensed toy game was still young, so they didn't realise that maybe if they made Die H…

The only good Star Wars movie of the last umpteen years was Rogue One, where they weren’t trying to sell toys to children.

We have different taste, but as a matter of fact, they did create and sell Rogue One toys.

https://jedibusiness.com/star-wars-figures.aspx?type=toyline...

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I think this is why British crime dramas / police procedurals seem to feel more real (to me, raised in a post-colonial country) - very few people look like temporarily financially embarrassed models slumming it as detectives.

We recently watched the entirety of New Tricks. Can't get more average looking than those characters.

The original Office was an outstanding example of portraying normal people. The US version pushed a good bit more to some people being a bit cartoonish.

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I wonder how much of it has to do with leftists and SJWs who would scream if sexual attraction between objectively beautiful people was shown on the big screen. Body positivity, "Whiteness", and other deranged ideas are just not worth Hollywood fighting against.

It looks like you're misunderstanding those ideas. And it seems maybe the point of the article as well, since in a way it argues that both sexuality and body positivity (less perfection, more attraction) was better in older movies.

If you really have such strong opinions about this, can I tempt you to read what "body positivity" is actually about? And why "objectively beautiful"... is pretty subjective?

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The public clamor for “$2k” checks, which comprise less than 1/4 of the $1.9 trillion dollar package that’s now entering reconciliation proves pretty strongly that the public is not sensitive to the cost of their government “benefits”. The Democratic Party has never been particularly concerned about taxes and debt. The Republican Party is periodically concerned about it, but mostly when they don’t control the governm…

Clinton and Obama were the only presidents to lower the deficit in the last 50 years. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/31/fac...

Who controls spending? Especially on transfer programs, which represent the bulk of the deficit? (It’s not the president)

http://goliards.us/adelphi/deficits/index.html is more useful. It shows party control of the presidency, house, and senate and deficits each year, not just at end of term.

Looks like the ideal for deficit control is to have a democratic president and republican control of both houses of Congress. Unified government by either party leads to less constraint on spending.

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The youngest millennials are around 25 years old. Changing your "not sexually active" situation will take putting yourself out there a lot, lowering your standards (you can raise them later), being open to meeting all sorts and getting rejected a lot. You'll certainly gain entertaining stories, and you'll probably meet some new friends, possibly one or more lovers and one of them may become a romantic partner if that…

I'm not OP but I'm not sexually active either and share the same worries and am probably a few years older than him. Thanks for sharing those videos, even though I was able to make that physique/style/life control transformation several times (get fit -> fall into a hole -> get fit again, rinse and repeat) during my 20s, this pandemic made me fall into a rut and I'm heavily struggling to stay on the right track that…

We all have to be extra kind to ourselves (and to each other) during the pandemic. It's an exceptionally unusual, transient time. Still, it is a long time to be socially distanced in various ways from coworkers, lovers, friends, etc.

Things will get better soon.

And yes, I'd imagine that a more similarly gendered and oriented therapist would find it easier to relate to your concerns. But maybe just being direct with your current therapist would help. There may be a good reason she's redirecting you to more general social aspects, or maybe she's not trained to deal with male sexuality.

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