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Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by dang » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 4:28 AM UTC

Triv888 wrote: post #242

dang wrote: post #127

All: please let's try to avoid repeating the generic discussion about how being on someone else's platform leaves you vulnerable to someone else. It's not wrong, of course, but it's been repeated for many years and won't lead to fresh conversation. The goal on HN is curious conversation. Curiosity likes diffs [1], not generics [2, 3]. Try to comment in a way that leads to a new place rather than an old place. The eas…

I appreciate all of your work but I think that you are wrong with this comment... I think that talking about leaving platforms that have monopolies can spur innovation.

For sure there are important and interesting questions there. I'm not asking people not to talk about those!—just to do it in a way that isn't just repeating what always gets said. Otherwise there's a power-law dropoff in information transfer...like telling the same joke or repeating the same word over and over.

There's nothing wrong with repetition per se. There is pleasure in it—it's just a different kind than the pleasure of curiosity. The problem is that we can't have both pleasures at the same time, and HN is a site for curiosity. This is one of those moderation calls that seems arbitrary and obscure until you take literally that we're trying to optimize for just one thing, and then it follows rather straightforwardly.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20186280

(It's really a sweet spot to have only one thing to optimize for—one gets to have fun being radical about following it to all its counterintuitive consequences.)

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by dang » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 4:30 AM UTC

bordercases wrote: post #232

dang wrote: post #207

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I think you're underestimating the ability of HN readers to figure things out. Perhaps that is the answer to both questions.

This equivalent of "RTFM" is a hostile percept for communication, as it implies that it is right to hide or obfuscate relevant information so that the speaker has less of a job to do when producing clear speech. There are benefits to "RTFM". They may involve making sure there are shared assumptions during speech that allow further speech to be economized equitably between speaker and receiver. They may involve the in…

Oh I don't agree. I think there are downsides to putting a 'mod' tag beside usernames, quite strong downsides actually, in addition to the upside that you guys are correctly noting. It's a tradeoff. I'm glad that I listened to my intuition 7 years ago (ack) when I became responsible for HN, and chose to trust the way things had always functioned here.

I don't see this as RTFM; there's no FM to begin with, other than perhaps https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by t0astbread » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 4:31 AM UTC

strogonoff wrote: post #265

znpy wrote: post #198

a good story about floatplane: i signed up pretty much as soon as it was announced, then i forgot about it and also forgot my password. i was billed -very little- for a while then i opened a support ticket to have my account restored, since i had been billed for a while i at least wanted to watch some content. but apparently something in the backend had changed and they plainly refunded me from the time i had my last…

The problem with Floatplane is that new creators who have ideas and skills but aren’t publishing elsewhere online (e.g., because they dislike the ad-driven model and don’t want their videos to appear alongside junk content) have nothing in terms of online optics that they could put into the application form—so they’d have to either support the likes of YouTube first by publishing there, or be capable of running their…

Vimeo (if I'm not mistaken) offers a plan where you pay them to host your videos and they don't roll any ads on them.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by brailsafe » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 4:34 AM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #279

desiarnezjr wrote: post #267

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No, it's more "roll your own" but has worked well.

From an outsider's perspective it looks like a "roll your own" using some of the existing knowledge base, talent pool and resources that exist floating around in the Vancouver video production industry... Undoubtedly some of what he's done in the past 3-4 years with a serious studio, cameras, editing, sound and lighting would be more difficult if he were not in Vancouver, but were in some location with much fewer con…

I never really thought of it that way, but I suppose you're probably right to some extent. Though I'd wager you could achieve similar technical/artistic results with a decent local college that has an arts program or an engineering school. I always thought it was a suprising success, because he's actually located quite a distance from Vancouver proper, in kind of a suburb called Langley. As a local, I've been there about once, but there have been locals that have made there way onto bigger productions like Silicon Valley. It would be too far for me to realistically work there even if I had a car, not that they're knocking at my door, but surely some of their staff have attended schools quite a distance from there.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by strogonoff » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 4:35 AM UTC

t0astbread wrote: post #283

strogonoff wrote: post #265

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The problem with Floatplane is that new creators who have ideas and skills but aren’t publishing elsewhere online (e.g., because they dislike the ad-driven model and don’t want their videos to appear alongside junk content) have nothing in terms of online optics that they could put into the application form—so they’d have to either support the likes of YouTube first by publishing there, or be capable of running their…

Vimeo (if I'm not mistaken) offers a plan where you pay them to host your videos and they don't roll any ads on them.

That’d be a great feature compared to the majority of platforms. The big question would be whether they force recommendations from other channels elsewhere on the page or at the end of a video.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by walrus01 » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 4:44 AM UTC

brailsafe wrote: post #284

walrus01 wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From an outsider's perspective it looks like a "roll your own" using some of the existing knowledge base, talent pool and resources that exist floating around in the Vancouver video production industry... Undoubtedly some of what he's done in the past 3-4 years with a serious studio, cameras, editing, sound and lighting would be more difficult if he were not in Vancouver, but were in some location with much fewer con…

I never really thought of it that way, but I suppose you're probably right to some extent. Though I'd wager you could achieve similar technical/artistic results with a decent local college that has an arts program or an engineering school. I always thought it was a suprising success, because he's actually located quite a distance from Vancouver proper, in kind of a suburb called Langley. As a local, I've been there a…

As a person in the Vancouver area: a lot of the film industry is out in east Burnaby, the industrial area of New West/Poco/Coquitlam, Surrey and the Fraser Valley for access to lower cost warehouse space, for sound stages/sets, and parking spaces... I don't know precisely where the Linus studios are but I wouldn't be surprised if they're in the industrial area near the south side of the golden ears bridge.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by Bukhmanizer » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 4:46 AM UTC

vl wrote: post #153

graeme wrote: post #70

I follow CGP Grey’s stuff and it’s been interesting and instructive to see how he diversified. * His Youtube channel is his main platform * However, the money mostly comes from patreon subscribers, and you can also have videos delivered there * He also earns income from a podcast, Cortex * The Podcast has its own brand of sellable things, currently journals and Tshirts * He had a second podcast, hello internet, curre…

CGP Grey is strange, so to say. He effectively abandoned Hello Internet. They once mentioned that they have 900K subs. Grey fully controlled HI, and it was way more popular than Cortex. If he wants to diversify so much abandoning project like this just doesn’t make sense. Also he has no basic decency to announce cancelation and left Tims hanging, for many of whom it was the podcast.

I liked Hello Internet as much as anyone, but I don't think creators really owe fans anything. Also, you shouldn't be too surprised. Brady and Gray talked about if they ever ended HI, Gray probably wouldn't announce that it was over to anyone.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 4:46 AM UTC

XiJInPaddington wrote: post #269

dang wrote: post #334

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(This is a stub reply so I can collapse the various comments responding to this, so as not to distract too much from the rest of the thread. Sorry, non-JS users.)

"As a nudge in that direction, I've...downweighted the generic subthreads which were rising to the top like bloated balloons and crowding out more interesting discussion (as typically happens in these cases)." - dang, master of HN "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.” Honestly it's sad how people on this website are okay with this Maoist nonsense, con…

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Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by yladiz » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 4:55 AM UTC

Bukhmanizer wrote: post #287

vl wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CGP Grey is strange, so to say. He effectively abandoned Hello Internet. They once mentioned that they have 900K subs. Grey fully controlled HI, and it was way more popular than Cortex. If he wants to diversify so much abandoning project like this just doesn’t make sense. Also he has no basic decency to announce cancelation and left Tims hanging, for many of whom it was the podcast.

I liked Hello Internet as much as anyone, but I don't think creators really owe fans anything. Also, you shouldn't be too surprised. Brady and Gray talked about if they ever ended HI, Gray probably wouldn't announce that it was over to anyone.

Sure, content creators don't necessarily owe more content to fans, but it's a two way street. In my opinion content creators should more or less clearly state if something is on hiatus (or ended, or whatever) rather than leaving it ambiguous, at least in the case of a regularly recurring kind of content. It's a simple but effective gesture to keep fans's trust.

Re: Popular YouTubers who are building their own sites

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Post by Can_Not » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 4:55 AM UTC

fallingknife wrote: post #77

user-the-name wrote: post #57

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What "wrong" political views are those?

Apparently, in the case of Parler, believing that you should allow users to post any legal content without moderation. (I know they didn't lose their domain, but the effect of being denied hosting is functionally the same.)

> believing that you should allow users to post any legal content without moderation.

Parler was removed for being under-moderated, sure, but with that aside, it was also a huge censorship platform.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/pa...

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200627/23551144803/as-pr...