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The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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if you know one pf the three russian/ukraininan/belorus languages you will be able to understand 99% of what is said in the other two. Source: I grew up in Ukraine

Cool, canadians and australians understand each other quite well too, what's your point?

my point is that those aren’t completely different languages by any stretch of imagination

Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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Strange how the meaning of "political correctness" has shifted, since it was coined to cover the deployment of "political officers" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_commissar ) enforcing adherence to communism within the Soviet military and wider society. All of these films were made under a strict political censorship system. (Russian cinema is legitimately great, though; why not watch the traditional pre-l…

Words can have multiple meanings. From a US perspective, this does seem weird, as "political correctness" is largely about not punching down on people who face adversity in our culture. The Russian definition seems to mean punching up; criticizing the government.

Political correctness in the US is largely about people with "privilege" being offended on behalf of other people and enforcing rules that help no one.

Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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post #66
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you know one pf the three russian/ukraininan/belorus languages you will be able to understand 99% of what is said in the other two. Source: I grew up in Ukraine

Cool, canadians and australians understand each other quite well too, what's your point?

Commonwealth?[0]

I think you made an excellent point. I see both sides and have no horse in this race.

[0] https://thecommonwealth.org/member-countries

Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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Strange how the meaning of "political correctness" has shifted, since it was coined to cover the deployment of "political officers" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_commissar ) enforcing adherence to communism within the Soviet military and wider society. All of these films were made under a strict political censorship system. (Russian cinema is legitimately great, though; why not watch the traditional pre-l…

Words can have multiple meanings. From a US perspective, this does seem weird, as "political correctness" is largely about not punching down on people who face adversity in our culture. The Russian definition seems to mean punching up; criticizing the government.

Political correctness in the us means not straying too far from the mainstream. The specifics of what that means is constantly changing.

Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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Strange how the meaning of "political correctness" has shifted, since it was coined to cover the deployment of "political officers" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_commissar ) enforcing adherence to communism within the Soviet military and wider society. All of these films were made under a strict political censorship system. (Russian cinema is legitimately great, though; why not watch the traditional pre-l…

>Strange how the meaning of "political correctness" has shifted, since it was coined to cover the deployment of "political officers" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_commissar ) What makes you say that? I did a word search on your link and don't see "political correctness" in there anywhere.

They probably mean they don’t like it being used to describe things they like being made ‘incorrect’ and taboo. Or at least a certain segment of our culture has if not themselves.

Being politically correct these days can be an exercise in sanity. That’s why all the big corps are hiring expensive professional firms to do progressive campaigns (even the cigarette companies here in Canada have “diversity and inclusiveness” on the lighters they sell hwith their cigarettes). There’s good money in helping the megacorps, academia, and gov agencies fit in with the young university crowd.

It’s like a race to include more and more things so it’s best to go hard as possible early to not be left behind. Especially when you don’t have to actually do anything real to help the groups IRL... just change your language and run the right ad and social campaigns. And not say the “wrong” things today, even if it was decades ago.

Apparent the “real” help and change (you know, things besides performative acts) will come as a product of these megacorps becoming politically correct in the modern sense.

Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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There are infinitely less difference between Russians, Ukrainians and Belorussians than, for example, between those Americans who live in California and Texas.

Californian and Texan accents might be mutually incomprehensible, but they' re not completely different languages like Ukrainian, Russian, and Belorussian.

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Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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Californian and Texan accents might be mutually incomprehensible, but they' re not completely different languages like Ukrainian, Russian, and Belorussian.

if you know one pf the three russian/ukraininan/belorus languages you will be able to understand 99% of what is said in the other two. Source: I grew up in Ukraine

If you grew up in Ukraine you grew up around speakers of both Russian and Ukrainian and so learned both languages. You’re now confusing your knowing of two languages for innate properties of those languages.

Source: I grew up in Ukraine.

Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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Production started during an era that was a slight relaxing of censorship in general in the USSR. Obviously any criticism of the Soviet system, law, government, policy, leaders, etc. was absolutely right out, but you do start to see hints of social criticism in that era. There are a rash of novels in the late 50s and 60s in that style. In fact, just the year before, Krushchev had personally ordered the publication of…

Khrushchev may have intended for the people to view this as life under his predecessors. He did believe Stalin's reign had been problematic and probably saw himself as ushering in something new. From Wikipedia[0]: > Khrushchev believed that once the stain of Stalinism was removed, the Party would inspire loyalty among the people.[129] Beginning in October 1955, Khrushchev fought to tell the delegates to the upcoming…

>Khrushchev may have intended for the people to view this as life under his predecessors. He did believe Stalin's reign had been problematic and probably saw himself as ushering in something new

I don't think it was just his self-image, I think I recall reading about the Cultural Revolution in China, and how some people there (Mao?) saw Khrushchev as kind of having betrayed the true path or whatever.

Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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One of my favorite movies of all time is Kin Dza Dza. It's a low budget comedy sci-fi movie with amazing ideas and a surreal aesthetic, and is quite funny and gets better with each watch. It's a subtle criticism of the soviet union in the era before its fall. You'll be saying "Kuuuu" for days after watching it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin-dza-dza ! Edit: just noticed a critic quoted on wikipedia called it "Ma…

One of my favorite films too! I saw it first on soviet TV, and found it amazing that all characters seems so human, naturalistic; and the world building is so organic. There are no flaws in this movie, everything just hangs together so well and effortlessly.

Re: The blissful political incorrectness of Soviet comedies

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Growing up in the USSR I always been fascinated by how only a few of soviet writers/comedians/directors were allowed some level of freedom while the rest had to stay true to the party propaganda lines. Obviously, these few were most appreciated.

It was just easier to do some kind of a propaganda film. No risk, no reshoots, no script rewrites, just stamp it out and make a little bit of money and a trip to Yugoslavia and a black sea vacation.
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