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NFTs Are a Dangerous Trap

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Re: NFTs Are a Dangerous Trap

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This is a complete misunderstanding of what an NFT does. The content isn't protected by the NFT, ownership is.

I know what an NFT does. It doesn't even give you ownership on anything other than a blockchain print. To me, the logical conclusion of this is copyright protection, where, say, an eventual platform only plays content where the player can only be verified as the owner.

> It doesn't even give you ownership on anything other than a blockchain print.

I’m pretty sure my domain name NFTs give some ownership rights you are overlooking.

Re: NFTs Are a Dangerous Trap

#192
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This is a complete misunderstanding of what an NFT does. The content isn't protected by the NFT, ownership is.

Neither the content nor the ownership is protected by the NFT. The NFT has literally no connection to the content at all, except that someone said, "Hey, buy this and you own the 'original'!" Except in all things digital, "original" means absolutely nothing. There's a guy who has been selling property on the moon[1]. This is exactly the same thing. 1. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/25/meet-the-man...

People are attempting to create a new world so scary and different to what you know, that it seems insane and completely off base. But we know what we're doing. We know this is leading to the future of a world where artists and fans can take back and redefine ownership.

It doesn't matter what you think ownership is. We're redefining it. :)

See you on the other side.

Re: NFTs Are a Dangerous Trap

#193
> BUYERS of NFTs may be blind to the fact that there’s no limit on the supply. In the case of baseball cards, there are only so many rookies a year. In the case of art, there’s a limited number of famous paintings and a limited amount of shelf space at Sotheby’s. NFTs are going to be more like Kindle books and YouTube videos.

Well, this is just flat out wrong. You can mint limited editions. And there are unlimited worthless paintings in real life which do not affect .

The author got so swept up in the NFT craze, wanting to write a trendy blog post that rides the hype wave while pretending not to, that they didn't actually do their due research before trying to distill a topic and worse, paint a biased, negative portrait.

> Let’s walk away from this one.

Let's not write ill-researched analytical blog posts with a narrative in mind before getting familiar with the subject, and then try and convince others to stay behind so we aren't the only ones missing out.

Re: NFTs Are a Dangerous Trap

#194

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> low effort art will trend back to $0 This is being continuously disproved since decades by contemporary art.

Most contemporary art has a lot more effort put into it than you think. It’s perfectly okay to not value that effort, but things like those “black squares” or whatever actually aren’t just that. If you see them in person, you can see how the different brush strokes overlap and theoretically signify different things.

> If you see them in person, you can see how the different brush strokes overlap and theoretically signify different things.

You had me until this bit

Re: NFTs Are a Dangerous Trap

#195
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Pretty bad take on NFTs. There are numerous configurations, networks, and commercial structures that can be created for NFT offerings that can mitigate "problems" described in the OP and accommodate for different tradeoffs. A simple retort would point to the many alternative NFT networks that don't use POW-based consensus algorithms or the NFT offerings that enable value add offerings very differently than purchasing…

> Evaluating the capabilities of NFTs against the value offerings of something like rare art is an apples to oranges comparison. Someone should tell that to all the artists who are selling NFTs with the implication that they're analogous to owning original works. I agree that it's apples-to-oranges, which is why so many people are appalled at the charlatans who are successfully selling these oranges as apples. > It t…

> What is its potential? What can someone do with NFTs that they couldn't do before?

The novelty comes from the underlying protocols that back the NFT. These protocols create marketplaces that are widely available and accessible and are reliably secure and robust.

Take copyright for example. Copyright laws vary across regions and marketplace. The encoding and repudiation of these copyright laws is based on analog processes. The data related to the assets in question are stored in databases with a widely varying degree of access. Verifiability across assets or even within a single asset class varies and to varying degrees of reliability. And I'm not saying this to point out that copyright laws and the assets relying on them have failed or are not value add in many ways. The fundamental point is that the technological infrastructure underlying the use of copyright laws today has a lot to be desired when it applies to ease of use for digital media.

Networks using blockchain protocols can offer a natively digital infrastructure solution that helps extend or replicate the value offered by something like copyright law. The natively digital aspect enables broader interaction which engenders more general purpose usage which ultimately leads to new consumer models (i.e. direct artist to consumer, peer to peer, etc.).

> Owning the NFT for something does nothing more than copyright already does. You can store the digital asset on your computer with or without the NFT. You can "consume" it either way as well.

The point is not to displace copyright law)(although others may argue this I do not). The value add here is in creating a widely accessible and reliable digital mechanism for creating, expressing, and modifying ownership rights. Different, or maybe even traditional, consumption models are then built on top of this to capture this value.

To your point about gaming creators choosing to do so or not; this question is really a question about what is the value of blockchain protocol networks in the first place and how would someone like a game creator benefit or capture this value? To this point, I can only point out the potential benefits as I'll be the first to agree the nature of blockchain and its value is still being explored. My arguments above are trying to express the value as I see it.

Would be curious to hear more thoughts and criticism.

Re: NFTs Are a Dangerous Trap

#196

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> The possibilities of NFTs fascinate me, especially for portable, digital identities and assets that transcend any specific virtual realm and can't be arbitrarily erased by any central authority. I'm struggling to understand the possibilities. Can you enlighten me? It seems like people buying these things are just speculating. Can you paint a picture of what kind of possibilities you're excited about?

This thread touches on it, https://twitter.com/FEhrsam/status/1366248629661552642 A very simple example is that it could partially solve the problem of verifying digital identities. If I follow/friend your NFT based identity, and various virtual realms (games, social media, virtual spaces) integrate with that 'identity' NFT for user accounts, then any new virtual realm I enter, I can immediately find and connect with…

> A very simple example is that it could partially solve the problem of verifying digital identities.

It does not. In fact, it reduces to the public/private key system we already have for verifying digital identities.

I have zero way of proving that I am the owner or creator of an NFT without the private key used to sign the original transaction. Why bother with an NFT and the complexity of a wallet when I can just sign whatever you'd like me to sign and you can verify it with the same public key that verifies my identity claim?

NFTs add _nothing_ to the equation.

Re: NFTs Are a Dangerous Trap

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An NFT is inherently decentralized, maintained by multiple independent parties, and more or less tamper-proof. That database is only as resilient as the organisation running it (or maybe less, plenty of organisations have lost their databases before), and presumably there are corruptible humans with write access to it.

The certificate transparency project has the same attributes you mention to my knowledge. There is the problem of correct data, but I don't understand how an NFT manages to make data correct. How do I prove to the NFT that I own the bike with SN 123? How do I prove it was stolen? I'd love if we replaced the bikeindex with a certificate transparency project-esque system and each large bike manufacturer ran an instance…

It seems like it would optimally require the manufacturer to participate in creating a token representing that serial number and assigning it to the person who bought the bike who would have to transfer it to the next owner and so forth.

Re: NFTs Are a Dangerous Trap

#198
I’m curious as to how NFTs will compare to a sales contract from a legal point of view.

E.g. if say an artist sells the rights to a digital artwork via both an NFT and via a normal sales contract. Both buyers claim ownership to the artwork and end up in court.

Who wins? And what implications will a legal presedence have for the vaule of NFTs one way or the other?

Re: NFTs Are a Dangerous Trap

#199

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I'm hoping we can do our NFT trading on non-PoW chains within the next couple years. This should reduce the environmental impact to that of baseball cards.

One random idea I had was to use cryptomining to “soak up” excess power: so, for example, you could build nuclear out to meet peak load and then set up mining rigs to use the difference between peak and the current load, subsidizing the cost of power production. It’s probably a bad idea for other reasons, but it’s one way to reduce the environmental impact of PoW

This is called "Demand Response" and it's an important part of grid management. For example a factory will agree to decrease consumption when asked in exchange for lower rates.

Too much power is usually handled in the generation side by incentivize producers to scale back generation or even paying to have them take a plant offline.

For a bitcoin mining operation, I suspect it would not be profitable to have all that equipment sit idle except when there is an oversupply of electricity.

Re: NFTs Are a Dangerous Trap

#200
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I actually had a similar idea, last time the theft of a famous painting was reported in the news. The museum could offer a deal, where they get the painting back but give the thieves a certificate for it. As part of the deal, they have to hang a sign next to the painting, saying, "This painting is considered to be stolen." The thieves can do whatever they want with the certificate -- use it to pay illicit debts and s…

> The thieves can do whatever they want with the certificate -- use it to pay illicit debts and so forth. They can visit their painting at the museum, and brag to their friends about it. But the rest of the public still gets to enjoy the painting too. I love this answer because it's a perfect analogy to explain why NFTs are total nonsense. Owning a one-of-a-kind, literally irreplaceable painting cannot be substituted…

> The core concept of ownership (control over a scarce resource) is violated as soon as you start trading a certificate instead of the original item.

That’s entirely how our markets are run. Nearly all stock is owned by a few trusts and what everyone is trading everyday are “certificates” of the original stock certificates.

Even big ticket items like cars or homes, they really aren’t worth anything without a clean title or deed. On the other hand people buy deeds all the time without ever seeing the actual property.

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