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#62Somewhat recently a head of Microsoft was asked about forgoing access to the Chinese market if it meant protecting American interests in the face of new threats. He unequivocally said, yes. He was willing to forgo their market. I'm not sure Apple and others who either sell product there or have large manufacturing there are as willing to forgo the 'promise market', but it looks more and more we will have to. More or…
So china's aggression in the past few years isn't out of position of strength, it's from a position of extreme weakness. And with Biden continuing Trump's china strategy in economic sanctions/stopping tech transfers/getting companies to move out of china, as well as now forming alliances to combat china, the continuing overall trend for china is decline and withdrawal, and for democratic countries is unity and strength. some recent events include:
- Lowest approval ever of China from US citizens (20%). similar decline/rates in other democratic countries this year. That means people are boycotting "made in china" goods.
- Japan self defence force, UK aircraft carrier, France submarines, and Germany frigates are now (and will be) patrolling south china sea along with US carriers.
- UK and Canada offering citizenships to Hong Kong citizens
- QUAD alliance (Japan, India, Australia, US), as well as 4 out of the 5 eyes alliance, increasing activities
- Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, US and other countries offering continued incentives for companies to move back from China
- Apple moving iPhone, iPads and MacBook productions out of China
- Even Angela Merkel, China's most important ally in europe, has openly warned China to open up its markets or suffer. Also, she will be stepping down later this year (THANK GOD), and anti-China sentiments are rising in Germany
- US to build anti-China missile network along first island chain on Japan, Taiwan https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Ind...
BUT. An encircled crazed maniac will do strange things. It will probably do something ridiculously stupid like attacking Taiwan. The attack will fail, and china will be sanctioned by the world just like russia.
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Why must there be alternatives? Why do anything at all? This bias toward a manufactured vague "do something!!!" feeling has just led to the deaths of countless civilians around the world.
Do you think not interfering in the Rwandan genocide was the best move?
The ethnic tensions were created by western interference in the first place. Perhaps intervention could have mitigated the scale of the tragedy, but it also could have made it worse by prolonging it.
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The us let’s Chinese firms generally speaking full access to the us market. The CCP doesn’t allow the us companies the same. Why our government let that happen. Letting so much business leave to the CCP will be one of the greatest failings of the us government.
A few speculative ideas/thoughts: - The US needs access to China's goods to be viable. For half a century US companies improved their efficiency/competitiveness by moving their process to China. They now have too many dependencies in the form of Chinese manufacturing and development capabilities and do not have the skills/knowledge/talents/infrastructure in the US. Because of this China can dictate their rules with z…
> The US needs access to China's goods to be viable.
No, it really isn't. The thing the US is indeed does very little for an economy of its size.
Washington can slam fist on the table, and US industry will be out of China by tomorrow, without much impact at home besides no iToys this season, and few percents off its stock market.
Lack of consumer goods would of course be upsetting, but people wouldn't die from lack of them.
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Why exclude WW2?
I'm assuming you're saying this because you want to compare China to Nazi Germany, which is strange when the USSR is a much more apt comparison that existed in the postwar period.
Maybe you shouldn't assume. Maybe you should take Rebelgecko's question at face value, and actually answer it. If you're going to claim that the rest of the world just wants the US to leave it alone, why exclude World War II?
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I'm assuming you're saying this because you want to compare China to Nazi Germany, which is strange when the USSR is a much more apt comparison that existed in the postwar period.
I'm just curious about people's reasoning whenever they cherrypick arbitrary start/end dates
WW2 marked the birth of America as global superpower, as it was the only developed nation to have its infrastructure basically untouched by the war.
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The us let’s Chinese firms generally speaking full access to the us market. The CCP doesn’t allow the us companies the same. Why our government let that happen. Letting so much business leave to the CCP will be one of the greatest failings of the us government.
A few speculative ideas/thoughts: - The US needs access to China's goods to be viable. For half a century US companies improved their efficiency/competitiveness by moving their process to China. They now have too many dependencies in the form of Chinese manufacturing and development capabilities and do not have the skills/knowledge/talents/infrastructure in the US. Because of this China can dictate their rules with z…
The US does not need access to or business with China to be "viable". That's a caricature.
Some replacements might be slower and more expensive to spin up than people and industries have wanted or been willing to do, but there's literally nothing unique in China.
The cost advantage, at this point, has eroded greatly and is on trajectory to continue doing so (especially if they are to meet their own stated and industrial policy goals).
Also, China is dependent on lots of thing from other countries, including the US, so the notion that they can dictate rules "with zero pressure" is wrong.
Finally, the debt piece is not something I understand well, but I almost exclusively see that addressed by experts as a faulty notion. At least, the notion that all China has to do to cripple the US suddenly start selling tons of US debt or dollars is total fantasy.
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There are no sanctions on Saudi Arabia, only on some minor officials.
I'm aware of that, but shouldn't we expect something either on par with that or something that goes even further than that when it comes to China?
The exact same kind of sanctions were imposed much further up the chain in China, yes.
And they are quite ineffective.
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Because we're arrogant. We thought that if we go down the road we went down, they'd naturally settle into their proper place as manufactory for the West without wanting a seat at the table. Now they're a global power and, gasp, they act like one. Nobody could have seen this coming.
The US also believed that giving China an example of "the good way" via access to the US markets would cause them to open up and allow access in kind. Turned out that was a pretty naive belief.
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