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Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by chokeartist »

guardiangod wrote: post #157
GrantZvolsky wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP is implying the i5 was Pareto-optimal in terms of price and performance.

Exactly. In 2020 the 10400f was about 40% more expensive; now Intel is forced to lower the price of their entire lineup to compete against AMD. These days, at most performance tiers, Intel+mobo combo are slightly cheaper than AMD's equivalent. Of course, Intel's CPUs have less PCIE lanes, no ECC support, lessor upgrade path, generates more heat, etc. Finally my old desktop was Intel and I am working on a lot of kerne…

> Finally my old desktop was Intel and I am working on a lot of kernel/VM stuff. I don't want to switch architecture halfway. I did that before and it was painful.

What? Aside from edge-cases resulting from slightly divergent microcode implementations you should not be dealing with that. They are both x86-64. (Forgive me if I am missing an elephant in the room.)

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by rglullis »

Drew_ wrote: post #133
rglullis wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either I had really bad timing or bad luck, but somehow I am ending up with Intel even though I really wanted to switch. Around 2012 I bought a 4-core Core i5 and after some basic upgrades (max RAM to 32GB and a good SSD) it had more-than-acceptable performance for my work until mid-2018. Even when I dabbled with Machine Learning I borrowed a 1070 from my office and was plenty to run my tasks. Around end of 2018 I st…

AMD is beating Intel on performance, but with recent price cuts, Intel is offering VERY good value right now and also much better availability. If you don't need the absolute best, Intel is the way to go easily.

Thank you for that. This downvoting is making me feel like I kicked some sacred cow.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by kortex »

smt88 wrote: post #34
LegitShady wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://contentauthenticity.org/our-members Basically a large group of companies are forming a group to create an agreed upon fingerprinting system for 'content' (read: everything) to destroy privacy in the name of 'fighting disinformation'.

Isn't such a thing necessary as we see US presidents falling for (deep)fake media? Is there a privacy-respecting solution that you prefer?

Deep fake propaganda is not really a problem. I've spent the past two years working in the media forensics space. Deep fakes ended up being much less of a threat than anticipated. Anti deep fake models are quite proficient now too.

The big problem now is semantic forensics - taking media out of context and spinning a new narrative.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/5/18251736/deepfake-propagan...

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by SloopJon »

pantalaimon wrote: post #24

Beaten by the 5800X in almost every test, unless AVX512 was used. Given the 7nm shortage at TSMC, Intel might still beat it in price / availability.

I really wanted to build a Zen 3 / RTX 30-something to replace my Ivy Bridge / GTX 1060. After months of chasing the RTX, I finally ordered a prebuilt yesterday with a 10700K / RTX 3080. Now to see if it really is "in stock and ready to ship."

The only thing I feel like I'll be missing in the 10700K compared to the 11700K is AVX512. It's been derided for throttling, but it does look kind of amazing for certain workloads.

One thing I find curious about the Zen 2 and Zen 3 product lines is that the processor I really want is OEM only: first the 3900, now the 5900. I like the idea of twelve cores at an easier-to-cool 65W. I bought an OEM Athlon back in the day, but I don't see a lot of OEM processors for sale these days. Maybe just more fallout from the chip shortage.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by IanCutress »

bflies wrote: post #177
guardiangod wrote: post #5

i7-10700K to the i7-11700K Single thread floating point: +19.0% Multi-thread floating point: +19.5% Single thread integer: +13.0% Multi-thread integer: +7.3% Jesus. Just overclocking the RAM for the 10700k would give a similar performance increase. Along with 291W, this 10nm->14nm backport is not working out well for Intel. PS My work desktop died on Wednesday afternoon during the SpaceX SN10 flight. I rushed to my l…

For better comprehensibility, some Geekbench 5 avgs & another layout: 10700K 11700K single 1,321 1,767 +33% multi 8,821 10,474 +18%

Geekbench 5 is skewed because the 11700K uses the AVX-512 unit for the AES test. It scores 4x over previous gen now, and that skews the whole end result.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by IanCutress »

nullifidian wrote: post #8
guardiangod wrote: post #5

i7-10700K to the i7-11700K Single thread floating point: +19.0% Multi-thread floating point: +19.5% Single thread integer: +13.0% Multi-thread integer: +7.3% Jesus. Just overclocking the RAM for the 10700k would give a similar performance increase. Along with 291W, this 10nm->14nm backport is not working out well for Intel. PS My work desktop died on Wednesday afternoon during the SpaceX SN10 flight. I rushed to my l…

Is it a backport? I read somewhere that it's a continuation of Skylake evolution and not a new architecture.

If you read the first page, it'll tell you?

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by rrss »

chokeartist wrote: post #201
guardiangod wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. In 2020 the 10400f was about 40% more expensive; now Intel is forced to lower the price of their entire lineup to compete against AMD. These days, at most performance tiers, Intel+mobo combo are slightly cheaper than AMD's equivalent. Of course, Intel's CPUs have less PCIE lanes, no ECC support, lessor upgrade path, generates more heat, etc. Finally my old desktop was Intel and I am working on a lot of kerne…

> Finally my old desktop was Intel and I am working on a lot of kernel/VM stuff. I don't want to switch architecture halfway. I did that before and it was painful. What? Aside from edge-cases resulting from slightly divergent microcode implementations you should not be dealing with that. They are both x86-64. (Forgive me if I am missing an elephant in the room.)

my memory is that the some of the Intel and AMD architecture extensions (including the various virtualization extensions) are incompatible.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by dannyw »

SloopJon wrote: post #204
pantalaimon wrote: post #24

Beaten by the 5800X in almost every test, unless AVX512 was used. Given the 7nm shortage at TSMC, Intel might still beat it in price / availability.

I really wanted to build a Zen 3 / RTX 30-something to replace my Ivy Bridge / GTX 1060. After months of chasing the RTX, I finally ordered a prebuilt yesterday with a 10700K / RTX 3080. Now to see if it really is "in stock and ready to ship." The only thing I feel like I'll be missing in the 10700K compared to the 11700K is AVX512. It's been derided for throttling, but it does look kind of amazing for certain worklo…

You can just get a higher TDP processor and set limits so it's a low-TDP one. It will perform better. The most efficient CPUs go to the highest end parts; not the other way around.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by my123 »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #142
hnISmongoguy wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh wow, I didn't know HN still had knowledgeable commentators! (I thought it was a competition to say BLUE COMPANY BAD GREEN COMPANY GOOD in various ways). So OP assuming I still want to buy an AMD because of its ECC support, (and can get my hands on a GPU), can you point me somewhere so that I can read about the last point you made. (EDIT: haven't researched but https://www.amd.com/en/processors/ryzen-with-graphics…

If you had asked me about NVIDIA, since I run Wayland on Linux, I would have probably been much more biased. Regarding the last point, you can learn more about it here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_GVT-g Or, on their official GitHub Wiki: https://github.com/intel/gvt-linux/wiki/GVTg_Setup_Guide AMD's similar MxGPU is only available on Radeon Pro and their Workstation graphics: https://www.amd.com/en/gra…

Hello,

Intel GVT-g is not supported on Gen11 and Gen12 gen Intel Graphics. It's only supported on Gen9 and earlier.

About Intel discrete graphics:

https://github.com/intel/gvt-linux/issues/160

> Internally we have some prototype but there is no formal plan to support GVT-g on discrete GPU like DG1

and about integrated later ones:

https://github.com/intel/gvt-linux/issues/126

> until now there is no plan on it.

Hopefully that clarifies it a bit...

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by philistine »

nxc18 wrote: post #83
coding123 wrote: post #73

I think at this point we're just waiting for Windows and Linux to be fully supported on the M1 or for ARM to come out with a system on a chip that's documented enough for Windows and Linux to make a port.

Windows on ARM is already working on M1 Mac through parallels. The big issue now is licensing and I assume some niceties in terms of official drivers/fine-tuning support. According to recent videos, Windows in a VM on M1 Mac today has same or better performance than Windows on ARM running natively on Surface Pro X. https://www.macrumors.com/2020/12/22/m1-mac-windows-parallel... https://twitter.com/imbushuo/status/133…

Considering the benchmarks of Qualcomm's Kryo 495, it's not surprising. Apple is way ahead of them in every regard.
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