RIP Intel... They need their new process node and whatever new architecture they have in the pipe to land -soon-. Looks like my 9900k might be the last Intel processor I buy for a long time unless things drastically change.
Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
#182RIP Intel... They need their new process node and whatever new architecture they have in the pipe to land -soon-. Looks like my 9900k might be the last Intel processor I buy for a long time unless things drastically change.
Either I had really bad timing or bad luck, but somehow I am ending up with Intel even though I really wanted to switch. Around 2012 I bought a 4-core Core i5 and after some basic upgrades (max RAM to 32GB and a good SSD) it had more-than-acceptable performance for my work until mid-2018. Even when I dabbled with Machine Learning I borrowed a 1070 from my office and was plenty to run my tasks. Around end of 2018 I st…
Your honest account seems more like a series of errors you've invited on yourself. Your motherboard prices are insane. And this litany of spontaneously breaking components make you sound like you're just yeeting the stuff around. Maybe that's all unfair, but it's how it comes across.
Now you're comparing the prices of the i9-10900 to the 5900X, when the 5800X's performance more than matches it. The 5800X is about 10% cheaper than the 10900 here.
If you don't understand the platform and chipsets, use a picker service or even buy a bundle. There are lots of component sellers flogging matched components in tested configurations. You won't get top-spec motherboards but there's no reason to spunk €300 on a desktop motherboard.
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm just going to say, if you don't think this _isn't_ going to be massively abused - take a look at what the CCP, or any authoritarian regime does really, to silence dissent. Don't have a good enough social credit because you shared an opinion somebody doesn't like one too many times? Intel and Microsoft will just remotely brick all your devices. > Is there a privacy-respecting solution that you prefer? Yeah, it's c…
So, how do you make uncle Bob media literate?
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
This chips really don't seem to be a good use of Intel's limited fab capacity. The CPU cores are substantially larger while offering basically no benefits other than AVX-512 support. It looks like Intel would have been better off pairing the upgraded IO and integrated graphics with their existing, smaller Skylake cores.
https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16535/111160.png Pretty much every Rocket-lake score is faster than Skylake across the board. I'd definitely buy a Rocket Lake over any old Skylake based off of these reviews. Rocket Lake seems a wee-bit inferior to Zen3, but AMD Zen3 is pretty much sold out, so if you need a computer, Intel is still there.
Except for gaming, where rocket-lake is across the board slower. Which is important since gaming was Intel's last holdout prior to the arrival of Zen3. So if you're gaming this is worse, and if you're not gaming why would you go with this over a 3900x at basically the same price? Even verse skylake if you're doing productivity stuff a 10920x seems likely to be consistently faster thanks to 50% more cores (and way way more pcie lanes if you're into that)
The only reason to get this seems to be if the unique combination of avx512, no ECC, and only up to 8 cores is somehow ideal for your use case.
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
So, how do you make uncle Bob media literate?
Schooling, campaigns. A mandatory "driving" license for media consumption.
Edit: don't get me wrong, _not_ doing that for children is evil. But, the results thus far do speak for themselves... And uncle Bob will not take being sent back to middle school all that well.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interestingly enough, the AVX512 test was the easy win for Intel. Nobody uses it because it wasn't available and, when available, wasn't much faster overall. Now it is.
Is it though? The vast majority of PCs even on the enthusiast level aren't going to have coolers that can handle 300w for any sustained period.
Anything more is an advantage.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interestingly enough, the AVX512 test was the easy win for Intel. Nobody uses it because it wasn't available and, when available, wasn't much faster overall. Now it is.
Who both buys consumer desktop CPUs (without ECC) and runs software that can use AVX512? Games won't use avx512 (not really simd math heavy work on the CPU, and also consoles don't have it). Web browsers won't use AVX512 (similar to games - not really SIMD-friendly raw math computation limited). Video & photo editing maybe will, but GPU acceleration is already more widely available & faster than avx512. What else doe…
I'm not sure, but we haven't seen it being widely deployed just yet.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interestingly enough, the AVX512 test was the easy win for Intel. Nobody uses it because it wasn't available and, when available, wasn't much faster overall. Now it is.
iirc wasn't until recently available in the HEDT line, but the user base is equipped with scalable xeon boxes not awfully constrained desktop chips.
Visicalc didn't make a big impact in mainframes.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm just going to say, if you don't think this _isn't_ going to be massively abused - take a look at what the CCP, or any authoritarian regime does really, to silence dissent. Don't have a good enough social credit because you shared an opinion somebody doesn't like one too many times? Intel and Microsoft will just remotely brick all your devices. > Is there a privacy-respecting solution that you prefer? Yeah, it's c…
So, how do you make uncle Bob media literate?
I have definitely fallen victim to that one myself, and have pushed that argument when considering Apple's walled garden in iOS, and how much that has assisted me personally in not having to provide tech support for members of my family.
Unfortunately, between these arguments, and the continued push of individual/consumer responsibility and "vote with your wallet", the vast majority of people do not focus their attention on how technology platforms work, instead focusing their interest and energy in other areas, and will "vote with their wallet" for whatever is the simplest solution at the time.
First order effects are generally not considered when it's not something you care that much about. Second and third order effects are definitely not in mind.
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#190You have to give whomever came up with 14nm process. Despite being super old it's still somewhat competitive. It's crazy Intel can't fix their process. They make more cash than amd, nvida etc. They make more cash than tsmc.
Intel's 14nm process is, in terms of dimensions, closer to TSMC's 10nm, and their 10nm is only slightly larger than TSMC's 7nm: https://fuse.wikichip.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/iedm-20... That being said they really need to step up their game or else they'll be bleeding market share for years to come.