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Re: Killing TurboTax

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Fair tax, a proposal for replacing current taxes with a federal sales tax, has already come up with a solution for this. Under its plan every person receives a check to cover the sales tax on spending up to the poverty level.

How do those plans tackle the problem of heterogenious tax systems internationally? No tourist is going to visit you if the restaurant visit costs 3x as much as in their home country (assuming similar living standards in both countries). Those tourists would effectively be taxed twice. Income tax at home and then again full charge on the steak on vacation.

The proposed sale tax rate(23%) would not differ too much from that VAT rate that Europeans already are used to paying.

Re: Killing TurboTax

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In this thread, we're discussing how to ameliorate the regressive aspects of sales taxes. Poor people spend most of what they have, so they are subject to proportionally more sales taxes than rich people who spend very little of their vast accumulated wealth on goods subject to those taxes. The initial, flawed response to this issue would be to construct some "massive political and logistical complexity" in order to…

One of the things that worries me with UBI is that the somewhat-better-off people without a moral compass- for instance, slumlords- will raise rent and eat really far into other people's UBI because they know everyone gets it and needs a place to live, thus keeping them from being able to save up to afford even a modest "starter home". Like GPU scalpers, they provide very little value and charge a lot for their servi…

It's true that the spending of the poor tends to be concentrated on the "basics": food, housing, transportation, childcare, utilities. Such a situation is inherently subject to more pricing risk. Relatively wealthier people might forego cable TV for six months in order to pay for unexpected car repairs, but that wouldn't be an option for someone who doesn't have cable TV in the first place. Still, your objection has it backwards. Yes, the poor face a relatively limited range of choices in how they can live in an arbitrarily unfair society like ours. However, increasing the income of the poor increases their choices, period. We don't know in advance how exactly they will react to this increased choice, but it's extremely unlikely that their reaction will be to give all the extra money to the same asshole landlord. A more reliable car might allow a family to live in a completely different neighborhood. Working a single job instead of two might allow a parent to spend less on childcare. And so on. Poor people are humans with imagination, not rent-payment-maximizing automatons.

I don't claim to know anything about your town, but I've lived lots of places and in general, in order to really fuck people over the bastards first have to limit their freedom somehow. Are there only certain parts of town in which the poor are allowed to live? Has public transportation been limited in arbitrary ways? Do zoning regs or HOAs enforce impractical restrictions on housing? Would it be OK if your neighbor parked a mobile home and camper behind her house for her recently-divorced sister-in-law plus five kids? What if her nephew and his girlfriend also moved out back?

Re: Killing TurboTax

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Income tax itself isn't the complicated part of taxes. I encourage everyone to do their own taxes by hand sometime. There are like 4 boxes for wage income and income tax, and 100s of boxes for everything else. And besides the boxes you do fill out, there is all the reading and calculating required to figure out you don't have to fill in even more boxes (e.g. in order to know if you have to fill in the AMT form, you p…

> biggest single thing that would simplify the tax code is removing the separate capital gains tax and just counting it all as income That's okay during times like ~1990-2020, a time of wonderfully low dollar inflation. The justification behind the long-term capital gains rate is this: during times of high dollar inflation , taxation on capital asset values turns into an outright tax on investment. If the dollar is i…

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Re: Killing TurboTax

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The article seems odd to me. Tax filing at the push of a button still implies a middleman. You don't need to push the button.

We have the following data about you: [...] Does it look correct? [Y/n] That's how it's done in France for example.

And Finland.

Except they also send it by snail mail, so you can read that and if it looks correct you don't even have to go online to click "OK". (Though I think I saw somewhere they may be phasing that out; saves on trees and postage.)

Re: Killing TurboTax

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The idea of paying someone $250 when the government already has the data is ridiculous. Accountants are accessible to some, but we shouldn't need to pay someone when the government can do the calculations.

The government really doesn't have the data. Do they have cameras in your home detecting whether or not you paid for more than 50% of your child's living expenses?

Does the accountant?

He'll just have to take your word for it, and send that in to the IRS. He won't be liable for it if it's a lie; you will. So what's the difference to you telling the IRS directly?

And no, checking a box "I did not have any income besides my tax-withheld salary [_]" and filling in an integer "I have [_] dependent children" seems like something most people could do on an IRS web page without having to buy software or pay an accountant every year. (And if you tell them when the kids were born the first time you do this, they could carry them over year to year and age them out automatically when they turn 18, and then you wouldn't even have to do that any more unless and until some exception occurs.)

All these pro-status quo comments sound so weird, like desperate apologetics for the world's most needlessly complicated system. Are you all just finding it impossible to conceive of there being a better way than The American Way, or what's the reason?

Re: Killing TurboTax

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Which begs the question if they essentially already know how much tax they think you should owe (for most people) why don't they present that number to get first and let you either agree or disagree?

They don’t know until mid to late summer. Your transcript is incomplete (or incompletely processed) prior to that.

Incompletely processed is more like it. The deadline for receipt of information from employers, etc. is Jan 31 with scaling penalties for tardiness.

Re: Killing TurboTax

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It might look that way to you but it's not that way. Two Democrats in the Senate are against almost every progressive idea (IMHO). Even if all of the Democrats except for those two want something they have to convince a couple of Republicans to go their way. Those 2 sensare basically the most powerful people in the Senate.

Who’s the other one, Synema?

yes, Sen Sinema (I had to look up that tough spelling...)

Re: Killing TurboTax

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Agree - there are different ways to slice this, but at the end of the day, should we? Let's say you and I start off with zero wealth, but we both graduate with a good degree, both get high-paying jobs and both make the same amount of money. We also pay the same amount of taxes - which sounds fair, right? Lets say we both make 150K a year, but I spend it all on my living expenses/fun while you are able to live on 50K…

> Why is his total wealth an absolute necessity to look at Because money needs to move. Having it sit somewhere in a bank account is not something you want to encourage (as a government).

That kind of wealth is never just cash in an account. It's spread across thousands of assets and investments.

For example, they are often LPs that invest in VC funds to give them cash which is then given to startups to build a business.

Re: Killing TurboTax

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I haven't thought this through, but could that actually be a feature?

I'm not sure it would - it seems like this would discourage risk taking. Owning stock in a startup would be a terrible move in this case.

It would certainly discourage risk taking on highly volatile instruments, and I'm not so sure that's a net contributor to the economy.

Re: Killing TurboTax

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But if it is irrelevant why do you fear that you will need to provide it? I’m honestly at a loss. Do you mean something such as to whom do you send wire transfers, or which specific companies you have on your portfolio? Or more like having an account together with someone? Something else?

Why would I want to give private data which is irrelevant to the IRS to the IRS? I'm honestly at a loss as to why you think that position is unreasonable. My data is my data. I truthfully and completely provide to people, companies, and government agencies who have a need to hold or process only that data is required. I also have a group of advisors whom I trust entirely and I share data more openly so they can help…

Ok, that's interesting. I don't follow this:

> What specific positions (or even total account value) I hold in my various accounts is not required for the IRS to compute my taxes.

How can they compute your financial gains without knowing your portfolio changes? (sorry I'm not american and thus my preconceptions of how do you do taxes are weird for you).

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