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Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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All these outlets say the books are "offensive" but they don't say why. Has anyone actually looked at these books? I have. Nothing in there is even remotely offensive. It would help to explain what is offensive, so we don't just take their word for it.

It sucks that there are over 100 news sites, including the big ones reporting it but none will actually show the offensive images for fear of being offensive themselves or even describe the images.

I'm with you, that is a huge worry.

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Here in Flyover Country, these debates sound entirely bizarre. I was going to say "It sounds like everyone's lost their minds", and I noticed I didn't say "his mind", so clearly there's a lag.

"Their" as a neuter/indeterminate plural goes back centuries. Which is to say that Midwest usage isn't part of that culture war.

That's fair. I don't think that anybody who says that is thinking much about it, but isn't that the point? To establish the default that nobody thinks about?

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About 5 years ago a friend of mine was saying, "yeah, it's bad at the universities but it doesn't affect the real world." Pretty funny how quickly things accelerated. I'd like to get off this ride.

This hypersensitivity all started at universities. Eventually those bubble-wrapped students will enter the workforce and eventually will end up in higher positions in HR or PR departments driving those decisions. No surprise there.

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What bothers me is the speed with which this process - "accused -> convinced -> executed" happens. We are not discussing things anymore. Today, you could tweet any accusations, and, no matter how ridiculous they look at first, it will lead to a race of who is taking them most seriously. Something definitely is broken. Look at what happened to the "okay". 4chan forced that meme 5 years ago in what they thought is a mi…

Link to support your statement. San Jose State University bans the "okay" symbol https://sjsunews.com/article/sjsu-bans-spartan-up-gesture-fo.... It was a symbol used for decades. Now, overnight, it is something that can get a student suspended.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#445

It's weird that these books got pulled from circulation in the first place; the offensiveness is relatively mild (especially for the time), and quite a few of these have historical and literary significance (including the very first children's book published under the "Dr. Seuss" pen name). eBay deciding unilaterally that people can't buy or sell already-printed copies is just icing on the weirdness cake. This is the…

Ebay didn't decide it unilaterally, it is in conjunction with the Dr. Seuss estate and Dr. Seuss Enterprises LP

Really? Suppressing secondary markets probably falls afoul of copyright law.

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Yup. The adults in the room should have nipped this crap in the bud but instead they entertained it. Now it’s a much bigger problem to solve. Check out SFUSD renaming racists schools like “Lincoln High”. Eventually parents had start a recall effort to end it.

Counterpoint: I graduated from a university still named after the confederacy that held "slave auction" fundraisers all the way into the 80s. I think it's easy to downplay how pervasive racism still is in America, and to imagine that hypersensitivity is the result of "fragility" instead of "constant exposure".

This is a great argument for why we shouldn’t work in generalities. “Systematic racism” isn’t practically actionable, so it results in Lincoln High getting the same treatment as yours, which apparently held “slave auction” fundraisers relatively recently, and another school which may teach the “Happy Slave” narrative.

1 of those is a high school named after a president that freed slaves, 1 is a high school with a seriously questionable recent past, and 1 is a high school actively perpetuating racist dogma. We shouldn’t be treating them all like what their doing is equally bad

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Unfortunately your only choices today are this or overt neo-Naziism. You have to stake out the most extreme, divisive, fanatical position possible. If you try to be nuanced and rational you get attacked by both sides. I think social media has a lot to do with it. We created a global communication medium and then programmed it to prioritize the most "engaging" content, which is of course the most triggering and contro…

The irony of downvotes on this above comment above mine comment. There is a third option. Most people are stuck with this. It is staying quiet and saying nothing. Because there is unity in extreme right. And there is unity in extreme left. And there is no unity in the center so these extremes can pick off each individual center person who says something.

I’ve been wondering if a radical, dare I say even Trumpian, centrist politician who is willing to pick vitriolic fights with both extremes is just what our times demand.

I really believe that Republicans can elect some of the craziest Qanon believers precisely because the Democrats refuse to forcefully denounce the craziest whims of their radical base, and are tainted by association, even though almost none of the national-level Democrats are nearly so extreme.

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#448

I think, the social mechanics of this process is very simple. Ability to tell others what to do is called power. Some people are more power-hungry than others, so they seek ways to assert themselves over others. That's a perfectly normal human thing to do. What matters is the way you would achieve power in a society. Getting power through building up your name as a notable researcher or author is one thing. Playing f…

> a power-hungry person can have the pleasure of telling 1000 other people what to say, and financially obliterate those who don't comply

> Some people are more power-hungry than others

True. Also, some people are more violent than others, but we try to keep those away from the rest of the population and gradually titrate them out of the gene pool.

I would love to live in a society that treated insatiable thirst for power the same way.

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post #180

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Unfortunately your only choices today are this or overt neo-Naziism. You have to stake out the most extreme, divisive, fanatical position possible. If you try to be nuanced and rational you get attacked by both sides. I think social media has a lot to do with it. We created a global communication medium and then programmed it to prioritize the most "engaging" content, which is of course the most triggering and contro…

The saddest part is boring but popular ideas like universal healthcare continually get thrown to the wayside by loud idiots who want to demand nonsense like "latinx"

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Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#450

I'm surprised people don't understand public relations. These books were likely not good sellers. I have many of their books but never heard if these titles. All 6 books have issues? But only two images have been described. The company just hit a home run in global PR the whole world has run this story. Honestly this is very smart for the company it gives them attention, they get to remove low volume books and it mak…

I was thinking something similar. Now it seems eBay is jumping in, trying to ride the wave of viral publicity. I haven't thought about Dr. Seuss or ebay in ages but suddenly my wife is buying Dr. Seuss books in case they ban more. Maybe I am just cynical, but it seems like a few people are getting promotions over this ordeal.
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