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Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#292
Okay I was all for the Dr. Seuss estate deciding to no longer publish their own works, for whatever reason they wanted. W H A T E V E R reason, including using their platform to make a statement about society.

I think this has been misinterpreted by everyone else, including Amazon and now Ebay, as well as everybody trying to extrapolate "what comes next, here is this unrelated hyperbolic example to let everyone know cancel culture has gone too farrrr"

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#294
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With what pronouns you're allowed to use to describe yourself? Or what pronouns you're allowed to use to describe others?

I am no longer allowed to refer to my group of cisgendered male companions as "you guys."

Hello, fellow sentient beings!

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a flick through one of the banned books I have and I was unable to fault anything in it. I had to look up what the problem was and then check back and I felt it was a really big stretch to call it offensive.

It makes me wonder: I've seen several people here comment that they didn't think the content was "that offensive" or that it's a "stretch" to call it so. Perhaps the takeaway is not that these things are, therefore, not offensive, but that children exposed to these things internalize them as normal and struggle to acknowledge their offensiveness later in life.

Exactly! Children are very vulnerable to unsound ideas - this thread is full of proof of that fact. Allowing them to be exposed to just any content while they're still developing their own perspective is simply inhumane.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#296
I respect eBay's ability to decide what is for sale on their platform, but I agree with the reporter: It's incredibly silly to ban a Dr. Seuss book when Mein Kampf is available.

This is what people call "virtue signaling". The article says that only 7000 copies were sold of the highest selling such Dr. Seuss book. This has no practical effects besides publicity. If they are going to seriously take this view, then they should have started with Mein Kampf.

Now, if they were to release a press-release with a long list of banned products, or classes of products, that isn't to say I'd necessarily agree that it was a good thing. But at least it would be consistent.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#297
I think, the social mechanics of this process is very simple. Ability to tell others what to do is called power. Some people are more power-hungry than others, so they seek ways to assert themselves over others. That's a perfectly normal human thing to do. What matters is the way you would achieve power in a society. Getting power through building up your name as a notable researcher or author is one thing. Playing favor games with others in power is another one.

In stable societies the power ladder is at least partially correlated with creating added value. Getting people to buy your product, getting people to elect you into office, even helping out your friends so one day they will help you haul that fridge upstairs. They also have some checks and countermeasures, like the universally trusted independent judicial system, that somewhat impedes attempts to break this correlation. Except now it's breaking apart.

Now we have a growing socioeconomic group that wields increasing power over what others can say by just claiming that they are fighting for a good cause. As long as you are anti-$BUZZWORD and have a sufficient network of followers, nobody dares to oppose you and nobody will protect those who dare.

It's not really about what is in the book or what pronouns someone uses. It's about the fact that a power-hungry person can have the pleasure of telling 1000 other people what to say, and financially obliterate those who don't comply. And no, there won't be a happy blissful day at the end of the road when we have finally eradicated all friction points and everybody can go have a beer together. The power-seekers won't self-disband. They will keep finding a target after target because that's where they get their kicks from.

Entire fucking history of USSR is littered with different power-hungry people using noble goals to chop their competitors' heads off. It didn't end well for them and it didn't end well for the country. I'm happy we are not at the head-chopping stage yet, but I keep wondering how long do we have left...

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#298

It's weird that these books got pulled from circulation in the first place; the offensiveness is relatively mild (especially for the time), and quite a few of these have historical and literary significance (including the very first children's book published under the "Dr. Seuss" pen name). eBay deciding unilaterally that people can't buy or sell already-printed copies is just icing on the weirdness cake. This is the…

Ebay didn't decide it unilaterally, it is in conjunction with the Dr. Seuss estate and Dr. Seuss Enterprises LP

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#299

About 5 years ago a friend of mine was saying, "yeah, it's bad at the universities but it doesn't affect the real world." Pretty funny how quickly things accelerated. I'd like to get off this ride.

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Gaslighting much?

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

#300
I don't fully understand this move by eBay. They let people sell the books without problem. Then the rights holder withdrew the IP from circulation (their right) and then SUDDENLY and simultaneously eBay arrived at the same conclusion as the rights holder? Like overnight they came to the same realization?

I don’t get the problem with the Asian depiction (apparently the eyes are problematic). But looking at block prints (and other art) from East Asia, many use the same representation[1]

By the way, this seems like a kind of DRM but without the encryption part. Instead of encryption DRM is being enforced by cultural zeitgeist. Who would have thought that as a possibility?

[1] https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://mymodernmet.com...

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