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Re: Live feed of Starship SN10 flight test [video]

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Thunderf00t recently made fun of SpaceX for failing to do what DC-X did in 1995, but he ignored the fuel savings of the belly flop followed by a brief burn. Doing it fuel efficiently is critical to practical reuse.

Thunderf00t attacks any kind of progress. He nitpicks things that aren't important and ignores things that are important.

The slightly mirrored fresnel lens of the internet.

My take is if someone is doing this, they are complaining about the overall lack of progress from an ancient achievement till now. They aren't wrong usually, but our flawed system doesn't make progress in that way.

Re: Live feed of Starship SN10 flight test [video]

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Yes. They need 1 to land - more than one means too much thrust. Last time they only lit one, it failed to light, and boom. This time they lit all three hoping at least one would work, then turned off the ones they didn’t need. I assume they had the idea independently of the guy who asked musk why they didn’t light more than one and shut down — musk replied “because we’re dumb”, but I guess that tweeter could claim to…

To start both main and backup engine was standard procedure planned for Soviet lunar landing LK, at liftoff. If everything's fine, backup engine shuts down. "The rocket company", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rocket_Company , a great and quite realistic book, reminds about importance of knowing history; there, a company explicitly maintains a library of previous technical solutions to problems encountered.

This is very interesting. Blending fiction and non-fiction, it sounds like a very finely detailed position paper.

Re: Live feed of Starship SN10 flight test [video]

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I'm a huge, long time fan of SpaceX and Tesla Motors, and I've found inspiration in some of the things that Elon Musk has shared over the years. > greatest man alive today I don't think that's a characterization that can be sustained or not with any level of objectivity. What I am sure of is that for various reasons, good and bad, Elon Musk is a very polarizing figure, and his missions are best served by studiously a…

>> greatest man alive today > I don't think that's a characterization that can be sustained or not with any level of objectivity. Ok, but thermodynamically speaking, would you agree that he is the coolest human being to ever live?

> thermodynamically speaking

I don't think I've ever seen that phrase before, and I don't know what it means. (:

> coolest human being to ever live

I tend to reflexively reject superlatives for various reasons. I'm comfortable saying that some of the stuff Musk is working on has enormous potential for positive outcomes, and I'd have a hard time coming up with a single person in recent history that had unambiguously produced more possible positive impact.

There are a lot of individuals in recent history who have produced enormous positive outcomes, though typically without as much 'flare' as Musk.

Re: Live feed of Starship SN10 flight test [video]

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>> greatest man alive today > I don't think that's a characterization that can be sustained or not with any level of objectivity. Ok, but thermodynamically speaking, would you agree that he is the coolest human being to ever live?

> thermodynamically speaking I don't think I've ever seen that phrase before, and I don't know what it means. (: > coolest human being to ever live I tend to reflexively reject superlatives for various reasons. I'm comfortable saying that some of the stuff Musk is working on has enormous potential for positive outcomes, and I'd have a hard time coming up with a single person in recent history that had unambiguously p…

While tongue in cheek, I do entertain this idea sometimes.

What I meant was, if one could quantify the minimizing of the output of CO2 by greatly accelerating the adoption of electric vehicles, and largely credit that to Musk, would that make him the “coolest?”

Re: Live feed of Starship SN10 flight test [video]

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Because we currently don't do either, and if we're going to pick one mitigating strategy, I'd prefer picking one that actually has a point to it. Money and human effort is fungible, you can spend it on many things. I'd rather it not being spent on pointless pursuits. If someone is going to spend it on pointless pursuits, I suppose they could do that, but they should at least not delude themselves.

Deflecting an asteroid with current technology would involve launching a rocket at it and either imparting enough kinetic energy to nudge it into an orbit that doesn't intersect Earth or blowing it up with a nuclear warhead. Either of those would require a large rocket capable of throwing a substantial payload well outside of Earth's orbit. Tracking asteroids can be done with terrestrial radar (that was one of the th…

The problem is that there is no economic case for ferrying stuff to and from Mars. There is nearly nothing on Mars that anyone on Earth will pay a premium that will pay the costs of colonization off. It's the ultimate exercise of ditch-digging, and ditch-filling, with the justification that doing so accelerates the technological development of ditch-digging instruments. Which is both technically correct, and also completely insane.

Re: Live feed of Starship SN10 flight test [video]

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yes i'm sure the richest person in the world is really suffering. get outta here

I don’t understand this view. Do you think that the moment you become wealthy then you’re not entitled to feel any type of suffering in life?

It's just a little a lot tone deaf to talk about Musk's 'sacrifices' when so much of the US and the world is going through acute material crises. Sure you can still suffer when you're wealthy. But also dude could just up and go to the bahamas for the rest of his life no problem. Most of us don't have that choice.

Re: Live feed of Starship SN10 flight test [video]

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I wasn’t watching a very high res stream but did anyone else notice what looked like a blackish/sooty exhaust on the way up from one engine? Maybe it was just the video feed... My hunch is at least one engine wasn’t performing 100% but the flight control software was able to compensate pretty freaking well.

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Re: Live feed of Starship SN10 flight test [video]

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I'm not an engineer (well not that kind), but it seems to me relying wholly on thrusters seems kind of iffy on being fully stable... wouldn't maybe having the rockets slow down the craft to the point where drones could lasso it, or connect to it, or even built in wings could expand with copter blades to steady it and lower it down more gentle? I mean early space-flight used parachutes, that's an option too though I'd…

You are not the first to think about this.

You need to consider how freaking gigantic this thing is. It literally like a huge building falling out of the sky. That scale alone makes most of these solutions silly.

Here for example NASA idea for the Saturn V: https://thespacereview.com/archive/3741a.jpg

The problem with ideas like this is that you have to develop another huge difficult large scale engineering project. That you need to maintain, update operate and so on.

And even if you do that, is this gigantic device actually more stable then just relaying on your well tested well engineered rocket engine?

On smaller vehicles you can do air capture because you can use commercial helicopters.

See RocketLab doing this currently: https://cdn4.dogonews.com/images/e97aac75-0e4b-442e-b484-a71...

Now, parachutes simply don't scale that large. It simply doesn't work.

> I just wouldn't trust my family on a rocket like this, feels very pre-mature. Like there's something missing to ensure it doesn't do a back flip at the end...per se.

Well it is pre-mature. Nobody denies this. This is the first vehicle ever to fly a Full-Flow Stage Combustion engine. Its one of the single biggest flying devices ever made by humans. It uses a re-entry procedure that has never been done before. With a combination of structure and heat shield that has never been done before. With a landing maneuver that has never been done before.

This will likely fly 100 times before humans get on it, and then only astronauts.

All that said however, there is no inherent reason why relaying on your engine and thrusters should be unstable. You can have redundancy in those systems.

Re: Live feed of Starship SN10 flight test [video]

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NASA landed a rocket in 1996. > The original DC-X was built in 21 months for a cost of $60 million.[18] This is equivalent to $101 million in present-day terms.[19]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-X#Flight_...

The DC-X was a tiny compared to Starship.

Starship uses revolutionary new Full-Flow Staged Combustion engines that have never flown.

Starship is testing a never used before method of reentry and guidence.

Starship is testing a never used before method of landing.

Starship is testing never used before method of heat shielding tiles and how to attach them.

Starship is not just testing the ship itself, but also the mass manufacturing line for Starship. Its not a test mule, its a mass production pipeline that is being designed at the same time as the product it produces.

Will likely be the first Orbital rocket to use Methlox fuel.

The DC-X was a fundamental dead-end, many of its engineers went to BlueOrigin and worked on New Shepard, a sub-orbital only hopper.

SpaceX Grasshopper is more comparable to the DC-X then the DC-X to Starship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZDkItO-0a4

That program likely cost less then $60 million.

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