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Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by phnofive »

felipellrocha wrote: post #53
yokaze wrote: post #40

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I've to counter your anecdata with mine. It's the same with Pfizer. Second shot can create adverse reactions. I know people who got flue-like symptoms (headache, muscular pain, increased temperature) for a day. Amongst doctors it is very common. Prior exposure to covid-19 is suspected to be a contributing factor. Still, it's better than the alternative: not being immunised and a possible patient/transmission vector.

I've heard mixed reviews from both vaccines. I suspect it's the underlying disease. You either get it or you barely feel it right? Anecdotal as fuck, but it seems to me it's the same with the vaccines, and if that's the case, if you had a bad reaction to the vaccine, you probably would've had a bad reaction if you had contracted the disease. Count yourself lucky.

You mean you suspect it’s like the underlying disease?

Maybe you’ll have a serious and uncomfortable immune response, but since the vaccine can’t proliferate, it will be a relatively brief one at even seventy-two hours.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by jamespetercook »

Sebguer wrote: post #49
1996 wrote: post #45

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I've read that up to 76% of the medical professional in some EU countries are refusing the vaccine, so I wonder why they do that if the science is so valid. Antivaxx craze and fake news network effects can only explain so much.

This kind of quoting of a "scary sounding" statistic is why people get called anti-vaxx. You heard something, and are repeating it with the intent to cause people to worry, without providing any actual facts. I looked it up. 76% of "nursing home staff" in France are refusing the vaccine. I don't generally take my vaccination advice from people working in care homes, and the Reuters article implies that it is generall…

Great sleuthing, thanks

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by Bancakes »

bsder wrote: post #61
1996 wrote: post #57

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> Cite or you get a downvote. Relax I just wrote from memory - I remembed the number, not the source, but someone gave an actual source. Happy? > Would I take one of the Russian or Chinese vaccines that have had questionable data releases? Probably not. I will happily take any vaccine that has been tested over 10M peoplefor over 1 year - even better if it's a tried and true old technology (not mRNA) like at least Ast…

And quoting the cite: > One reason for the scepticism is that those recommending the vaccine are the same people - the French state - whom care home workers blame for their low pay and tough working conditions, said Malika Belarbi, a care worker and trade union official. So, basically, this has nothing to do with whether the vaccines are or are not medically okay but everything to do with the fact that the workers do…

>The downvote stays.

You're not a hacker news celebrity. You have no authority here. You need an ego check. I just upvoted him for no reason other than to demonstrate 1=1.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by Bancakes »

1996 wrote: post #48
throw374u9 wrote: post #41

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> I also do not trust chinese vaccine and their manufacturing process. Maybe you could have phrased that in a way that's not so racist? EDIT: I sometimes try to explain that I expect such things to be posted with almost 100% certainty, and that it's not nice to read such things that https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26322291 so I must insist: you may not trust a company or manufacturing process, but not trusting a…

No, that's chauvinism. Chinese is not a race. Specifically members of the chinese government are not a race.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by panny »

tptacek wrote: post #51
panny wrote: post #35

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Out of curiosity, do you also believe the official number of Chinese cases, which is around 89,000? Or to answer your question directly, I believe the media isn't reporting them. Just like they don't want to report Cuomo, along with governors in multiple states, knowingly stuffed nursing homes with covid cases. It all comes out eventually, but right now is the "fog of war" so to speak. We won't hear about the deaths…

The media isn't reporting them? You can get the stats directly from the states, all of which are vaccinating nursing homes aggressively. Are the leaders of these states all conspiring?

>You can get the stats directly from the states

You can also get stats directly from the CDC. Like these stats on the flu,

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

202 cases since September, for a disease that averages tens of thousands of deaths annually.

>Are the leaders of these states all conspiring?

IDK, where did the flu deaths go? Occam's razor.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by oezi »

1996 wrote: post #57
bsder wrote: post #50

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> I've read that up to 76% of the medical professional in some EU countries are refusing the vaccine, so I wonder why they do that is the science is so valid. Cite or you get a downvote. Name the country and the vaccine type. Would I take any of Moderna, J&J, etc. developed under scrutiny and forced to open their data to the public? Sure. Would I take one of the Russian or Chinese vaccines that have had questionable…

> Cite or you get a downvote. Relax I just wrote from memory - I remembed the number, not the source, but someone gave an actual source. Happy? > Would I take one of the Russian or Chinese vaccines that have had questionable data releases? Probably not. I will happily take any vaccine that has been tested over 10M peoplefor over 1 year - even better if it's a tried and true old technology (not mRNA) like at least Ast…

> I will happily take any vaccine that has been tested over 10M people for over 1 year

But that is bullshit.

A.) Because we did already vaccinated more than 10 m people with each vaccine.

B.) We already did phase 2 trials to know it is safe!

Repeat after me: Vaccines are at least 1000x to 100000x safer than going unvaccinated.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by protomyth »

dnautics wrote: post #39
protomyth wrote: post #30

I will say if you get the Moderna, that second shot is seriously painful. We had a pretty universal pain in the arm followed by chills followed by hot flashes then a day of feeling like you are walking through water. It was two days of crud. If you have a choice get Pfizer instead. The people taking that don't seem to suffer.

I'm all for anecdotes, but the side effect rate for moderna is known. And I know several people who have gotten it and no one has complained of side effects.

I'm just saying be prepared because they hit hard if it happens. As hanche said, staggering the shots is a good idea.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by oezi »

oezi wrote: post #77
1996 wrote: post #57

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> Cite or you get a downvote. Relax I just wrote from memory - I remembed the number, not the source, but someone gave an actual source. Happy? > Would I take one of the Russian or Chinese vaccines that have had questionable data releases? Probably not. I will happily take any vaccine that has been tested over 10M peoplefor over 1 year - even better if it's a tried and true old technology (not mRNA) like at least Ast…

> I will happily take any vaccine that has been tested over 10M people for over 1 year But that is bullshit. A.) Because we did already vaccinated more than 10 m people with each vaccine. B.) We already did phase 2 trials to know it is safe! Repeat after me: Vaccines are at least 1000x to 100000x safer than going unvaccinated.

To those that are downvoting: To give you some numbers after over 25m doses of vaccine delivered in the US. The current stats of severe allergic reaction to vaccines (which is the most severe adverse advent reported) stands at 4.7 cases of 1 million (!) doses administered. Even though these are severe reactions, they are still temporary/transient.

It might be hard to comprehend, but vaccines are very safe.

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