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Why You Should Take Any Vaccine
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
There were 9 deaths in France already among the people vaccinated. Saying it's zero is a pure lie. Whether it was caused by the vaccine, its consequences, or something else is unclear. https://www.ladepeche.fr/2021/01/22/covid-19-neuf-personnes-...
23 in Norway as well in one elderly home. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
I am pretty sure they were not all in one elderly home. In a brief look at the BMJ paper I did not see that claim, and besides I think such a dramatic incident would have made a much bigger splash in the news.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
There were 9 deaths in France already among the people vaccinated. Saying it's zero is a pure lie. Whether it was caused by the vaccine, its consequences, or something else is unclear. https://www.ladepeche.fr/2021/01/22/covid-19-neuf-personnes-...
23 in Norway as well in one elderly home. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
The only reasonable and fair interpretation of TFA's statement is there have been no deaths from covid in the vaccinated population. It's obviously not proof against death, and it might even have a tiny inherent risk itself.
Do you have contradictory information about covid hospitalizations/deaths in the vaccinated population?
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not referencing hospitalizations among those that have received the vaccine. That's talking about a total reduction in hospital admissions among the general population, many of which had yet to receive a vaccination.
Yes it is? It’s specifically citing a change inhospitikization rate based on the vaccine received.
FIRST DOSE! Of a two dose regimen. Note, no allowance for the 14 days to achieve even a full response to the first dose.
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#45I feel like if anybody wanted to apply critical thinking they were immediately called an anti vaxer. I think people should always question everything. And since the science and research is valid I think most people come to the conclusion that it’s fine.
I've read that up to 76% of the medical professional in some EU countries are refusing the vaccine, so I wonder why they do that if the science is so valid.
Antivaxx craze and fake news network effects can only explain so much.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
You know, if even the Catholic bishops aren't accusing it of this side effect fraught as they are with concern for child and fetal welfare I think GP needs to consider their position.
Catholic Bishops are concerned about the Johnston and Johnston vaccine because it was made with aborted fetal cells. So there is an ethic concern with Catholics on the Johnston and Johnston vaccine. Not the other vaccines though.
made with cells derived from cells extracted from an aborted fetus and then passaged (grow to several 100 cell divisions on a plate, suspend in solution, discard 99% of cells, repeat hundreds of times, eventually magic happens). To call the vaccine "made from aborted fetal cells" is their argument, but it elides an astounding amount of distance between the cells used for virus production and actual aborted fetal cells.
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> I also do not trust chinese vaccine and their manufacturing process.
Maybe you could have phrased that in a way that's not so racist?
EDIT: I sometimes try to explain that I expect such things to be posted with almost 100% certainty, and that it's not nice to read such things that https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26322291 so I must insist: you may not trust a company or manufacturing process, but not trusting anything at all from a given country is racism
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#49I feel like if anybody wanted to apply critical thinking they were immediately called an anti vaxer. I think people should always question everything. And since the science and research is valid I think most people come to the conclusion that it’s fine.
I've read that up to 76% of the medical professional in some EU countries are refusing the vaccine, so I wonder why they do that if the science is so valid. Antivaxx craze and fake news network effects can only explain so much.
This kind of quoting of a "scary sounding" statistic is why people get called anti-vaxx. You heard something, and are repeating it with the intent to cause people to worry, without providing any actual facts.
I looked it up. 76% of "nursing home staff" in France are refusing the vaccine. I don't generally take my vaccination advice from people working in care homes, and the Reuters article implies that it is generally because these employees are skeptical of the government, not on any scientific basis: https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-france-va...
Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine
#50I feel like if anybody wanted to apply critical thinking they were immediately called an anti vaxer. I think people should always question everything. And since the science and research is valid I think most people come to the conclusion that it’s fine.
I've read that up to 76% of the medical professional in some EU countries are refusing the vaccine, so I wonder why they do that if the science is so valid. Antivaxx craze and fake news network effects can only explain so much.
> I've read that up to 76% of the medical professional in some EU countries are refusing the vaccine, so I wonder why they do that is the science is so valid.
Cite or you get a downvote. Name the country and the vaccine type.
Would I take any of Moderna, J&J, etc. developed under scrutiny and forced to open their data to the public? Sure.
Would I take one of the Russian or Chinese vaccines that have had questionable data releases? Probably not.