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Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by TylerE »

stickfigure wrote: post #7
TylerE wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is simply not true. It greatly reduces risk, but people still get sick, and still go to the hospital. Spreading this sort of false info helps no one.

That contradicts the article: Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. Not one. Zero. Not for Moderna, not for Pfizer/BioNTech, not for Oxford/AstraZeneca, not for Sputnik, not for J&J, not for Novavax. Do you have a cite?

Well, see this study from the UK.

"Preliminary results from a study in Scotland found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine reduced hospital admissions by up to 85% four weeks after the first dose, while the Oxford-AstraZeneca shot cut admissions by up to 94%."

85% and 94% are not 100%. QED.

Also, read carefully the quote. It is talking about the (few thousand) people enrolled in the non-placebo arm of the trials, not everyone receiving the vaccine. The claim made in the GP was vastly broader and unsupported.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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stickfigure wrote: post #7
TylerE wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is simply not true. It greatly reduces risk, but people still get sick, and still go to the hospital. Spreading this sort of false info helps no one.

That contradicts the article: Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. Not one. Zero. Not for Moderna, not for Pfizer/BioNTech, not for Oxford/AstraZeneca, not for Sputnik, not for J&J, not for Novavax. Do you have a cite?

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Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by ggggtez »

TylerE wrote: post #5
melling wrote: post #3

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That is simply not true. It greatly reduces risk, but people still get sick, and still go to the hospital. Spreading this sort of false info helps no one.

> trials

There is a key word that you are missing. In the trials. Not the full release.

The citation is in the article itself. Please look at the table which shows the number of people in each vaccine trial, and the number who were hospitalized/died.

To save you the trouble, the numbers are "0" of those outcomes out of the 15k, 18.6k, 13k, 5.8k and 22k people in the trials (or around 0 out of 74,200 people total).

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by _lx4l »

TylerE wrote: post #11
stickfigure wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That contradicts the article: Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. Not one. Zero. Not for Moderna, not for Pfizer/BioNTech, not for Oxford/AstraZeneca, not for Sputnik, not for J&J, not for Novavax. Do you have a cite?

Well, see this study from the UK. "Preliminary results from a study in Scotland found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine reduced hospital admissions by up to 85% four weeks after the first dose, while the Oxford-AstraZeneca shot cut admissions by up to 94%." 85% and 94% are not 100%. QED. Also, read carefully the quote. It is talking about the (few thousand) people enrolled in the non-placebo arm of the trials, not eve…

That's not referencing hospitalizations among those that have received the vaccine. That's talking about a total reduction in hospital admissions among the general population, many of which had yet to receive a vaccination.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by TylerE »

ggggtez wrote: post #13
TylerE wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is simply not true. It greatly reduces risk, but people still get sick, and still go to the hospital. Spreading this sort of false info helps no one.

> trials There is a key word that you are missing. In the trials . Not the full release. The citation is in the article itself. Please look at the table which shows the number of people in each vaccine trial, and the number who were hospitalized/died. To save you the trouble, the numbers are "0" of those outcomes out of the 15k, 18.6k, 13k, 5.8k and 22k people in the trials (or around 0 out of 74,200 people total).

Yes, the post I was replying to said that "no one who has taken any of the vaccines has been hospitalized or died from Coronavirus" full stop.

That is what I am objecting to.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by selimthegrim »

bufferout wrote: post #9
tjr wrote: post #4

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"Children's Health Defense is an American 501c3 nonprofit advocacy organization,[1] known for its anti-vaccine activism. According to Seth Mnookin, much of the material put forth by the organization involves misinformation on vaccines and anti-vaccine propaganda.[2] It was founded and is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.[3] Established under the name World Mercury Project in 2016, it has been campaigning against vario…

You know, if even the Catholic bishops aren't accusing it of this side effect fraught as they are with concern for child and fetal welfare I think GP needs to consider their position.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by panny »

stickfigure wrote: post #7
TylerE wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is simply not true. It greatly reduces risk, but people still get sick, and still go to the hospital. Spreading this sort of false info helps no one.

That contradicts the article: Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. Not one. Zero. Not for Moderna, not for Pfizer/BioNTech, not for Oxford/AstraZeneca, not for Sputnik, not for J&J, not for Novavax. Do you have a cite?

That sentence is an outright lie.

Tim Zook died after taking it. Sonia Acevedo died after taking it. Sara Beltran Ponce had a miscarriage after taking it. [1,2]

[1] https://twitter.com/SaraBelPonMD/status/1354890858789744641

[2] https://archive.is/cGNNK

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by TylerE »

_lx4l wrote: post #14
TylerE wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, see this study from the UK. "Preliminary results from a study in Scotland found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine reduced hospital admissions by up to 85% four weeks after the first dose, while the Oxford-AstraZeneca shot cut admissions by up to 94%." 85% and 94% are not 100%. QED. Also, read carefully the quote. It is talking about the (few thousand) people enrolled in the non-placebo arm of the trials, not eve…

That's not referencing hospitalizations among those that have received the vaccine. That's talking about a total reduction in hospital admissions among the general population, many of which had yet to receive a vaccination.

Yes it is?

It’s specifically citing a change inhospitikization rate based on the vaccine received.

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