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Re: Killing TurboTax

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Hello HN! I'm the founder of Keeper Tax (keepertax.com) and killing TurboTax is our mission. We recently raised a large round, and we're hiring engineers, designers, data scientists. Ping me at paul@keepertax.com

What's the Keeper Tax business model?

Re: Killing TurboTax

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There is a much greater depth of detail that I provide to my tax preparer than I'd be willing to share with the IRS. I tell my tax preparer everything and have perfect confidence that my taxes will be prepared correctly and in accordance with the tax code and that nothing which is not required to be disclosed will be disclosed. Much of what I provide to my preparer is irrelevant to my tax obligations and anything tha…

You do realize that $1k is about 10% of the median household income tax liability? I can't imagine the majority of people happily accept a 10% (more for half of households) tax hike, when companies already CC the IRS on all the forms they're regurgitating.

This statistic I think is with respect to those that owe tax rather than for all households (it excludes 1/3rd of those that file returns):

"The most recent IRS data revealed that Americans who filed taxable returns paid an average income tax payment of $15,322 in 2018. This number was calculated based on the returns of over 153 million American households who filed during that period, which included just over 100 million taxable returns."

Re: Killing TurboTax

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"Killing TurboTax" is essentially a meme until we meaningfully simplify the tax code. There is no software development team on earth who could catch up with the full capabilities of TurboTax without some sort of fundamental shift in the business. I really hate to say this as someone who makes a living out of it, but dealing with the current amount of complexity in the tax code with a piece of software that a non-expe…

The reason the tax code is so complicated is BECAUSE OF TurboTax. They lobby heavily to keep things complex and have brought down potential competitors through legal means. As such, "killing TurboTax" is the correct first step.

I've been using freetaxusa.com for years as an alternative, it only costs maybe 10-20$ to file state taxes if I remember correctly, and federal is free. It is much cheaper than Turbotax and the UI is essentially the same.

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I know it's nice to have a corporate bogeyman to rail against but it's not that simple. For example, there have been all sorts of tax deductions over the years to incentivize things like home energy efficiency improvements, EVs, solar power, charitable contributions, etc. And the mortgage deduction was/is intended to promote home ownership. I could go on. Someone can disagree with some of the choices around tax rates…

There are some people who are weirdly anti-charity, saying that all of it should be done through taxes? I don't understand their point of view.

Thread drift, but my objection to encouraging charitable giving is that the more you rely on charity to fund the public good, the more you rely on (largely) millionaires and billionaires to decide what counts as a public good. In other words the average citizen doesn’t get to vote on what good gets funded. This means givers’ pet causes get funded rather than projects that are democratically chosen.

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Or the IRS could file our taxes for us for free.

Turbotax et al. lobby heavily to prevent this. Given that much of the relevant information--W2s, 1099s, etc., are already reported, you'd think that this would be easier for a very large percentage of taxpayers. But it would effectively kill TurboTax's business.

Does anyone have any idea what these lobbyists actually say? What excuse (however lame) that they actually give for blocking simplification etc?

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The US's system of tax deductions makes it impossible for your employer to know how much to remove from your paycheck except in the simplest of scenarios. They may not know how many children you have or how much money your spouse makes if you file jointly or how much you pay in rent or whether you're a first-time home buyer or what your deductible medical expenses were for the year or whether you had education expens…

There is literally a form you fill out for your employer to tell them this information so they how to much withhold from your paycheck: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw4.pdf

A W-4 is an input into a formula that tells the employer how much you want deducted. So a couple with 3 dependent children and a mortgage will put down more deductions than a childless couple with no mortgage. But it's just to get you in the ballpark so you don't seriously overpay or underpay.

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"Killing TurboTax" is essentially a meme until we meaningfully simplify the tax code. There is no software development team on earth who could catch up with the full capabilities of TurboTax without some sort of fundamental shift in the business. I really hate to say this as someone who makes a living out of it, but dealing with the current amount of complexity in the tax code with a piece of software that a non-expe…

The IRS themselves need to provide this "auto tax" service.

The tax prep industry lobbied Congress to prevent the IRS from auto-tax filing. The compromise was "free filing" for those with median incomes and below. For a majority, W2s, 1099s and the previous years return can provide an auto-filing framework. The IRS would send your their draft and you agree or modify. Other countries do this.

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TurboTax's offering is not just about literally filing my taxes. It's about managing risk that I'm not botching my filing in the form of missing something entirely, mis-filing, or leaving deductions on the table. Even if submitting forms online is entirely free, I'm willing to pay SOMETHING to make sure SOMEONE ELSE is responsible for making sure it goes well. I pay accountants for this for this exact reason. I'm sur…

Even CPAs aren't responsible for leaving you exposed to an audit, unless it was through gross incompetence, or if otherwise specified in a contract. TurboTax gives you some feeling that you have exhausted most of the straightforward avenues for reducing your tax liability, but offers no guarantees. Tax preparers are really only liable if they start telling their clients to do grossly illegal things on a regular basis, or if they do shady things to cheat them out of their refund. For example, receiving the refund in their own account and paying the client half.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it's nice to have a corporate bogeyman to rail against but it's not that simple. For example, there have been all sorts of tax deductions over the years to incentivize things like home energy efficiency improvements, EVs, solar power, charitable contributions, etc. And the mortgage deduction was/is intended to promote home ownership. I could go on. Someone can disagree with some of the choices around tax rates…

There are some people who are weirdly anti-charity, saying that all of it should be done through taxes? I don't understand their point of view.

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Re: Killing TurboTax

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"Killing TurboTax" is essentially a meme until we meaningfully simplify the tax code. There is no software development team on earth who could catch up with the full capabilities of TurboTax without some sort of fundamental shift in the business. I really hate to say this as someone who makes a living out of it, but dealing with the current amount of complexity in the tax code with a piece of software that a non-expe…

Filing taxes online in Australia is free, and I'm sure it's of comparable complexity. This does not exist in the US the highest levels of government have no incentive to provide it.

> This does not exist in the US the highest levels of government have no incentive to provide it.

This is a valuable podcast episode to listen to to learn more about this: https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2019/04/03/709656642/epis...

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