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Killing TurboTax

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Re: Killing TurboTax

#61

What exactly does everyone have against Turbotax? I use it every year and I love it. Sure I could save a hundred bucks and spend hours filling out IRS worksheets, but I don't want to. They have excellent UX, and serve as a reliable secure cloud repository for all of my financial information. What's the big deal?

I'll actually give a response that is not Turbotax specific.

The forms I get every year from the ~10 banks I have accounts with and the ~2 companies I earned a salary from are essentially just copies of forms that they also had to send to the IRS. So in principle the IRS already has the same information I do when it comes to how much tax I paid and on what income.

It is not clear to me why I have to share:

- My name

- My address

- My _social security number_

- My spouse's name

- The names of my children

- All their social security numbers, too

- How much money I made

with a for-profit company. This is information that the IRS already has. To me, this is totally unnecessary. I would much rather the government increase the IRS's budget so that they can implement services that provide any help I might need directly, rather than through a totally unrelated corporation. The IRS's job is to make sure you paid the tax you owed. They don't dictate how much tax you pay. I truly believe that with the right financial resources they can make it easier to make that payment (and correctly) for: 1) us; and 2) them.

For folks with very simple tax situations, this seems like a no-brainer. For folks with complicated situations, you are still more than welcome to talk to a tax professional for advice. But a company _doing your taxes_ for you seems unnecessary.

Wouldn't it be lovely if instead I went to www.irs.gov to file my taxes, and I was presented with a very similar interface to what for-profit companies are providing, but with the information already filled out because they already have it? Essentially, all I'd be doing is sanity-checking the inputs.

Re: Killing TurboTax

#62

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The issue is that they are so slick that you don't even notice the dark patterns that funnel you into needlessly spending money.

I buy the standalone version every year. I am not sure what dark patterns are in that version that you are talking about.

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Re: Killing TurboTax

#63
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TurboTax works great, until things get a little too complicated, and it quickly becomes terrible. What is needed is a strongly typed DSL where you can copy and paste your entire tax return as a single text document/spreadsheet.

If all you have is a hammer...

If all you have is binary notation...

Re: Killing TurboTax

#64
post #46

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I was just thinking that an open-source tax engine is the way to go in the future. I would like to see it maintained by the USGOV.

Is it possible to FOIA the IRS tax-computation code itself?

I love this idea. Maybe someone has already done that?

Re: Killing TurboTax

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post #55

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I was just thinking that an open-source tax engine is the way to go in the future. I would like to see it maintained by the USGOV.

> please don't use this software to file your taxes for the 2020 / 2021 tax season. I wonder if there is a PR that Intuit filed to add this to the readme. Seriously, I wonder how much money Intuit has spent to terrify people into using their software. Each year, I look around for alternatives so I can avoid giving them money, and each year I find some reason to grow fearful of an IRS audit and go with the company tha…

I have used TaxAct successfully for the last several years and they're great. (just a happy customer)

Re: Killing TurboTax

#67
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This has already been done successfully in Canada. A small team from Vancouver built a pay-what-you-want web-based tax-filing system from scratch. It's called SimpleTax and it's already a major competitor to the Canadian version of TurboTax. In fact, it was so successful that it was recently acquired by Canadian investment group WealthSimple.

Unfortunately, the "we promise not to sell your personal data" disappeared from the privacy policy during the acquisition, so we know why they remain donationware post-acquisition. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/costofliving/the-canadian-tech-comp...

Ooh ToS/privacy policy diffing service alerts as a service ha

Re: Killing TurboTax

#68
post #55

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I was just thinking that an open-source tax engine is the way to go in the future. I would like to see it maintained by the USGOV.

> please don't use this software to file your taxes for the 2020 / 2021 tax season. I wonder if there is a PR that Intuit filed to add this to the readme. Seriously, I wonder how much money Intuit has spent to terrify people into using their software. Each year, I look around for alternatives so I can avoid giving them money, and each year I find some reason to grow fearful of an IRS audit and go with the company tha…

Most people have minimal to fear from an audit. If your taxes are complex enough that you’re concerned then use a professional not TurboTax.

Re: Killing TurboTax

#69

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The big deal is that all the functionality of TurboTax could/should be available for free (as is done - in some form - in other countries).

And we all know how wonderful and easy to use government built software is.

Who even said it would be software. In Germany I have the option of letting the government do my taxes for me. At the end of the year I can choose to dispute the charges.
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