These 10 companies control all foods you buy

Post by ars » Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 3:24 PM UTC

readflaggedcomm wrote: post #27

ars wrote: post #25

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It actually does not. Shipping food emits very very little CO2 compared to growing it. So the most optimum thing (in terms of CO2) is to plant food where it grows best and then ship it. As an extreme example compare a greenhouse with regular outdoor planting. Or compare growing food where you need a lot of pesticides or fertilizer vs where you do not.

Neither of those examples support your assertion.

In case it wasn't clear: It's better to grow food without a greenhouse, then ship it vs. spending energy on a greenhouse, and saving energy on shipping.

The reason is simply that shipping uses very very little energy, it's the rest of the production that uses a massive amount of energy.

Post by ars » Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 3:26 PM UTC

bmn__ wrote: post #30

shalmanese wrote: post #26

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Local farms generally consume more carbon to get your goods to you. That's because the ratio of envelope : contents for each subsequent chain in transportation goes up exponentially. eg: It takes ~0.1kg of cargo ship to transport 1kg of food, ~1kg of container truck, ~5kgs of a pickup truck from a local farm and ~100-1000kgs of your personal car, depending on how much you buy per trip. So buying food from a local far…

That doesn't make sense. A cargo ship does not pick up food from a farm or slaughterhouse and does not deliver food products into my fridge. So, it's a truck and a freight train and a ship and a truck for foreign produced food, and only a truck for locally produced food.

A truck for locally produced food is not usually full nor efficiently packed.

Rather the farmer will grab a little of this, and a little of that. Whatever he can sell the day. This uses far more energy.

And don't forget the energy needed to harvest the food - large growers do it in bulk, small farmers will need to fire up the tractor for short runs.

A cargo ship uses FAR FAR FAR less energy than you might imagine. Even shipping something by rail across the US uses less energy than driving to the next city.

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