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Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by thorin »

briefcomment wrote: post #678
nearbuy wrote: post #671

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We don't know what anything or anyone else experiences internally. But we know enough to make some good guesses. Plants lack a brain, the organ responsible for thoughts. There's no more reason to think they have thoughts than a cell inside your body, or a computer. All three can process stimuli and communicate. "Screaming" is editorializing for page views. They found some plants will produce an ultrasonic click every…

Would anesthetization before killing animals address this issue?

Ozzy Osbourne's first job was working in a slaughterhouse. It had a big affect on him! Seriously, check out his book.

Also I have a friend who was vegetarian as a teenager, she wanted to become a vet and one of the things they do is suggest you go to a slaughterhouse and see how it works. She is no longer a vegetarian and loves eating meat, but she didn't become a vet either!

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by jiofih »

com2kid wrote: post #436
dheera wrote: post #170

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> Second off, I, an American, don't even eat hamburgers[1] more than once or twice a year. And I'm not going to switch all my meat eating over to meat alternative hamburgers. You're also likely in a privileged class of Americans. Unfortunately the US government indirectly subsidizes meat. Hamburgers and fried meat of sorts are staples of the low-income class. The meat consumption in that class is off the charts, and…

Various cuts of pork, tougher cuts of beef, and until recently, chicken thighs (which can still occasionally be fund on sale for under $2 a pound), are dirt cheap. In college bone in skin on chicken thighs were more my go to than pre-made ground beef. > Ideally, the government should be subsidizing a variety of healthy vegetables for human consumption I agree with you in general, but for pure sake of "being alive" th…

Cooking at home, going to college. That’s still a privileged life.

Who suggested Kale? Just eating plain baked potatoes would be a massive improvement in health.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by thorin »

lemmsjid wrote: post #100
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I agree that this is important, and less meat consumption is good, but I am kind of upset that the entire American culinary experience is being reduced to "burgers, pizza, and fried chicken." I say that because most of the articles on meat alternatives are written from the perspective of "if only Americans can stop eating hamburgers!" First off, in terms of global solutions, that isn't going to fly. Try going to Ital…

As a fellow American, I also just eat a few hamburgers per year. I actually prefer non meat burgers to regular, though I love high quality meat (though I don't it it very often). I like to primary source stuff and can't find a hard, verified number in my limited Googling, but as far as I can tell our consumption is incredibly low compared to the per capita average (over a hundred per year, into the multi hundreds per…

I'm naively asking this as someone from England, I can easily go to a farm nearby. Even though I live on the outskirts of a city there are numerous options within say 10 miles of me. I go to the farm and the chances are they have a shop selling fresh or frozen in season meat (as well as cheese, eggs, veg or unpasturised milk). I can get advice on cuts and cooking from the butcher there and it will cost 50-100% more than it would in the supermarket. It will also taste twice as good.

I don't do this that often, but it's a good experience, and I'd like to do it more in the future. Of course these places will mail frozen meat to your house too.

Is this kind of thing an option in the US? I'm pretty sure it's common in most of Europe still.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by jiofih »

snoshy wrote: post #689
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What are the issues with those ingredients?

The issue is that the vast majority of these ingredients are artificial substitutes for the actual content of a pizza-like-thing that an average consumer might expect. That they are artificial is not in itself inherently an issue (at least to me, although many many artificial additives have been proven to cause problems while manufacturers continue to use them), but the fact that so many substitutions are made all at…

Most of them are not really artificial, just remnants of some other industrial process (oleoresin of paprika, corn syrup solids, etc).

You’re literally eating junk food.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by adtac »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #757
drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

Beef is a net positive for the environment while "vegan" mass-produced cash crops are a net negative. Beef can (and does) graze on natural pastures that would have been otherwise ruined and turned into something useless.

Cash crops such as soy that are a mainstay in vegan diets? What do you think most of the cows eat before they're slaughtered for your lunch? A five year Oxford University study done on 38,700 farms showed that if everyone in the world switched to a plant based diet, we would be able to reduce agricultural land by 76% [1].

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29853680/

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by stephenr »

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanically_separated_meat “Meat”

Is it a fact that major fast food chains use this kind of processed meat? How do I avoid eating this? Primal cuts of meat are fine, right?

This process happens after the primal cuts are removed.

I guess it's basically the modern "industrialised" alternative to the more traditional use of the carcass after those cuts are removed, which would be to break it down and boil them to make stock.

McDonalds Chicken Nuggets used to be made of this. Apparently they are no longer using it.

There's more info about it here: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/legal-separation/

Legally it should be labeled as such.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by adtac »

war1025 wrote: post #407
drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

> The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people This argument always reminds me of Margarine, which was promoted for years as having great health benefits, and then we later find out that it is loaded with trans fats and actually terrible for you.

That argument makes no sense. If I said that the more unleaded petrol is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people, would it remind you of margarine too? Should we go back to leaded petrol? Or coca-cola with cocaine in it?

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by adtac »

megablast wrote: post #417
drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

The real game changer will be when they price it cheaper than meat.

That will require government subsidisation, just like how meat and dairy is subsidised.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by adtac »

thomasfromcdnjs wrote: post #717
chovybizzass wrote: post #663

if they slip that shit in their food without telling us I will be very upset.

What I think is worse. Is that they call it "meat". People who aren't that switched on will start eating it, when there is no proof it is actually good for you. I'd like to see a 10-20 year study before we just accept that Beyond Meat is actually good for long term health. Supermarkets are putting this stuff in the "meat" section too. Poor old person who can barely see that actually needs real tried and test nutritio…

They need to rename peanut butter too, it's not actually butter :/

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by bambax »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #810
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> Wild pigs, while omnivorous, eat mostly plants and extremely small animals That's almost certainly because they aren't very good predators (ie minimal opportunity to hunt in an evolutionarily advantageous manner). > why not eat little girls yourself Because humans don't do that, so we're not interested in justifying that behavior. Also there's an obvious lack of symmetry there - it's no longer an inter-species inte…

The difference is again in whether there is a good reason to do something, or not. There is no good reason to toture e.g. someone's house cat, so it would cause unnecessary suffering. There is a good reason to kill another animal to eat it: to eat it. But again that does not justify torturing the animal before eating it.

That is absolutely false.

Yes you can eat the animal you kill, but this is not about hunting for survival. We don't need to eat animals to stay alive and healthy. The reason we eat animals isn't even because it's good for us; it's just that we like it. We could defend torturing them with the same argument: we like it, so why not?

In any case, some (most) forms of animal food indeed require torturing the animals to produce it, and I don't just mean foie gras; you need to remove the calf from the cow to get milk (and the cow then cries for weeks); you need to kill male chicks to have an economically viable chicken farm, and fatten the remaining female ones so much they can't stand on their own legs; etc.

It is a novel and interesting line of reasoning to pretend that the justification to kill animals is that we are "the same"; but if we extend that argument, we find that there is no reason to prefer your life over a pig's life.

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