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Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

input_sh wrote: post #195
com2kid wrote: post #37

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I agree that this is important, and less meat consumption is good, but I am kind of upset that the entire American culinary experience is being reduced to "burgers, pizza, and fried chicken." I say that because most of the articles on meat alternatives are written from the perspective of "if only Americans can stop eating hamburgers!" First off, in terms of global solutions, that isn't going to fly. Try going to Ital…

> "we've replaced all your meat, with a ground beef alternative!" I'm sorry but who ever says anything about replacing all meat? It's more about having a readily available alternative and starting to think of meat as a luxury instead of it being a part of every meal.

The working class doesn’t get to eat luxury food so yeah it’s about replacing all meat with substitutes.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by shafyy »

DamnYuppie wrote: post #27
drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

I truly don't understand the methane issue. Historically worldwide the # of ungulates is probably well below historical averages. It looks like today we have around 98 million head of cattle in the US. Historically we had bison in excess of conservatively 60 million. This doesn't even begin to count all the animals in Africa. Overall wide life is declining. https://www.statista.com/statistics/194297/total-number-of-c…

Sorry, but there are around 1.5 BILLION cattle in the world, and 300 million are estimated to be slaughtered each year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by HenryBemis »

gonehome wrote: post #506
jessewmc wrote: post #501

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If you want to reduce animal suffering, there's a pretty good argument that cows are the last animals/animal products you should stop eating. You should definitely stop eating eggs, as egg-laying chickens live short, miserable lives where their bodies are destroyed rapidly. Chickens, fish and other small animals in captivity live short, miserable lives, and one family can eat a whole chicken in a day -- thats alot of…

Yeah, I go out of my way to get eggs from pasture grazed hand collected chickens via goodeggs because of how they're tortured otherwise ( https://www.goodeggs.com/sfbay/home ). I learned about the difference between 'pasture grazed', 'free range', 'cagefree', etc. Pasture is the only one that seemed cruelty free. I was told in 'free range' they raise them inside with a door closed for the first part of their life bec…

> male chicks

Responding to String's comment: There is this guy (https://www.youtube.com/user/fuller527) that has set up Owl monitoring rigs, streaming live 24/7. I sometimes watch to enjoy nature (and barn owls).

About the the male chicks? There is a chicken/egg farm 'somewhere near' and he is given dead male chicks that he ties in a couple of tree logs twice a day, so that owls and other beasts can feast on. To anyone enjoying looking at barn owls, check out his stream (I'm not affiliated in any way). Around 11pm UK time he walks to those logs and you can see him replenishing the 'food' for the owls.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

gonehome wrote: post #452
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #437

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>> Pigs and other animals do lots of things you would presumably not do. Yes, but they also do this thing that I would do. This is why this debate exists in the first place, yes? Because some animals eat other animals and we're that kind of animal. It doesn't matter if some aninmals would, e.g., eat their own excreta, because that is not something that humans do anyway and so there is no reason to discuss whether we…

> "I am arguing that if pigs were more intelligent than we are they would do to us exactly what we do to them, including keeping us in farms to eat later etc." I don't think this is necessarily true. Throughout our own history humanity has done things we regret and decided were wrong (or are actively fighting against). Slavery, genocide, kings, torture - while struggling towards more just societies based on rule of l…

>> It's quite possible that raising and killing other animals with lots of suffering is something we will regret.

I agree it's possible and I believe we should- but what is regretable is the suffering, not the killing.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by shafyy »

ngngngng wrote: post #29
drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

Raising cattle can easily become a net negative to carbon emissions if cows are given slightly more space to graze and moved around more often. If all cattle were raised in this way there would be slightly less cattle production but a far more positive environmental impact than if we all switched to vegan "meat". https://blog.whiteoakpastures.com/blog/carbon-negative-grass...

No, just no. White Oak Pastures has been debunked by real science many times, e.g. here: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijbd/2014/163431/

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by wooger »

astura wrote: post #519
smegger001 wrote: post #478

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how much of that was human edible callories? free grazing cattle will eat plant humans won't/can't. there is alot of land thats used for grazing that is not suitable for planting crops for a variety of reasons.

Except we aren't doing that, the demand for (cheap) beef far, far exceeds the supply of beef that could be made with just grazing land.

Key then to heavily tax beef imports from any country with no agricultural standards, or which are destroying rainforests.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by argvargc »

gonehome wrote: post #268
nickelcitymario wrote: post #148

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> The popular crusade against meat is one of the more misguided. This seems to presume two things: 1) That vegans and vegetarians are primarily doing it for the environment. 2) That vegans and vegetarians can't do basic math. To the first point, I'd be fully supportive of plant-based diets even if the only reason was concern over the treatment of the animals themselves. The focus on the environmental benefits is real…

> "On a side note: I'm not vegetarian. I simply agree with those who are." This was my position for a long time until finally making the jump at the beginning of the pandemic (vegetarian, will rarely eat fish sometimes). For me, it was mostly about reducing suffering of other animals. I thought this way before but it's hard to change behavior and I liked hamburgers. I think this is the strongest argument and the envi…

If I absolutely had to cause the suffering and death of an animal in order to keep myself alive, I would.

But I don't, so I won't.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by input_sh »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #801
input_sh wrote: post #195

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> "we've replaced all your meat, with a ground beef alternative!" I'm sorry but who ever says anything about replacing all meat? It's more about having a readily available alternative and starting to think of meat as a luxury instead of it being a part of every meal.

The working class doesn’t get to eat luxury food so yeah it’s about replacing all meat with substitutes.

It's all about personal perception. I'm definitely not a vegan nor a vegetarian, but most of my meals don't contain meat. I don't keep track, but I estimate that I eat meat approximately two or three times a month.

Though I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of taxing meat down the line (depending on the implementation), and I'm definitely in favour of cutting back subsidies.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

d110af5ccf wrote: post #556
bambax wrote: post #540

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That's some flawed reasoning if there ever was any. If the justification for eating pigs is that you're no better than them, and they "would" eat "little girls", why not eat little girls yourself? They would be much tender than adult pigs, and presumably easier to find. Also, how do you know pigs would eat little girls? Pigs that we eat were created by us. They would not exist if not us. Wild pigs, while omnivorous,…

> Wild pigs, while omnivorous, eat mostly plants and extremely small animals That's almost certainly because they aren't very good predators (ie minimal opportunity to hunt in an evolutionarily advantageous manner). > why not eat little girls yourself Because humans don't do that, so we're not interested in justifying that behavior. Also there's an obvious lack of symmetry there - it's no longer an inter-species inte…

The difference is again in whether there is a good reason to do something, or not. There is no good reason to toture e.g. someone's house cat, so it would cause unnecessary suffering.

There is a good reason to kill another animal to eat it: to eat it. But again that does not justify torturing the animal before eating it.

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