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Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

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Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

#61

Get a Pixel 3/4 and throw GrapheneOS on it: https://grapheneos.org/ It's the best non-Google, privacy enhanced experience you can get at the moment.

Wow, I don't see that often, but when I tried (several times) to go to that link I get: Gah. Your tab just crashed. In Firefox (85.0.1 on Ubuntu 18.04). Works fine in Opera, though, and it looks like just a wall of text so I'm not sure why FF would be unhappy.

86.0 on Ubuntu 20.04.2 works fine

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

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I don't remember what I was using at the time, but there's a variety of ways to do it, depending on what you're looking for. Generally, you want to capture network traffic at the packet level and run it through a tool to help you analyze it. The tool you pick would depend on what you're looking for and the type of analysis you're doing. Here's a few tools that come to mind: https://www.wireshark.org/ https://www.snor…

Thanks. I'm particularly interested in how did you find out that your phone was calling Chinese servers.

Not the original parent commenter but a sniffer like Wireshark would reveal the url(s) or IP addresses being requested by the phone to call home - it’s fairly easy to check if those belong to a Chinese IP range.

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

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post #60

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I wondered that too and I concluded that it's because the threat model is different. * China spying will steal your data and identity so the safety of your money and assets will be at risk. Your photos may be sold, your credit cards may be stolen, etc. * Five Eyes spying will hurt you if you're non-normative. Say you're a casual drug user or perform low scale criminality. Or say you're doing a thing that's legal now…

Illegal behavior is hardly the only reason the FBI targets people.

I picked "non-normative" intentionally.

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

#65

Get a Pixel 3/4 and throw GrapheneOS on it: https://grapheneos.org/ It's the best non-Google, privacy enhanced experience you can get at the moment.

Giving money to google to deGoogle yourself is an odd angle.

Not giving money to Google if you buy used.

Also, not weird in the context of Google actively maintaining their position as a a top security firm these days, with Project Zero.

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

#66

Get a Pixel 3/4 and throw GrapheneOS on it: https://grapheneos.org/ It's the best non-Google, privacy enhanced experience you can get at the moment.

Giving money to google to deGoogle yourself is an odd angle.

Google privacy is 0%, security is high 90s%

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So they're charging a premium (you can buy these phones in mint condition on swappa for nearly $150 less) for a refurbished 3 year old phone because it's preloaded with a ROM for enthusiasts. Who would buy this? I can't imagine any of the people who know or care enough to use /e/ are the kind of people who'd pay someone else $150 to flash a ROM for them.

Do these phones even have boot security?

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

#68

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Flashing is one thing, flashing without Google's services is another. My point is if you think flashing is no fun, working around the fact Google has moved more and more functionality to Google Play Services every year is going to be even less fun. This is a product that only enthusiasts will find fun flashing or not, so why even bother paying extra for obsolete hardware? - Edit because people don't like when you poi…

I’m a time strapped, privacy concerned smartphone normie who would love to find a good alternative to Apple / Google to recommend to friends. I use three apps: messaging, web browser, and camera. Seems like those apps are covered in this one.

Carrier unlocked Pixel 3+ on Swappa.com, GrapheneOS.org.

Web install takes moments these days, can be done by any 8th grader with a GrapheneOS phone, or PC with any major browser and a USB C cable.

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I live in asia how can i buy this one? Is there any way

You can just buy a used phone that's supported by them and install the OS yourself. I have done it with LineageOS and it's not hard.

If you're going to do this, buy a Pixel so you can have the bare minimum in secure hardware.

And consider GrapheneOS.

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving money to google to deGoogle yourself is an odd angle.

Google privacy is 0%, security is high 90s%

There is no security in google products except for google. They are all remote code execution platforms.
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