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Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

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Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

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I've only owned one Huawei phone, but it definitely had Google's software installed. (and after running some network analysis, I noticed it also phoned home to China)

I'm very interested in how do you run the said network analysis? I'm considering buying an Android again but I'd like to properly tame it by cutting off as much spy traffic as possible.

I don't remember what I was using at the time, but there's a variety of ways to do it, depending on what you're looking for. Generally, you want to capture network traffic at the packet level and run it through a tool to help you analyze it. The tool you pick would depend on what you're looking for and the type of analysis you're doing. Here's a few tools that come to mind:

https://www.wireshark.org/

https://www.snort.org/

https://www.ntop.org/products/traffic-analysis/ntop/

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

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I've flashed ROMs before. I don't get a kick out of it, and my hourly rate is more than $150. I'll probably buy one.

W... what? Could you find someone to pay you more than $150 an hour to flash a rom? Do you have to sit there the entire time you're setting up a phone with a new rom? The comment you replied to is making a great point, generally people running custom roms without Google's services do so because they are enthusiasts . An Android device without Google is going to require avoiding very common apps and using workarounds…

You have to actually figure out what a ROM is, how to access the bootloader on your device, work out all the drivers, naturally figure out all the quirks that happened that weren't listed in the instructions, and then flash the device. Sadly I can't just flash an .iso onto my phone like I would on a USB - 2 clicks.

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

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In Europe if we want a Google-free phone we just buy a Huawei.

Haha, you made my day. Huawei is likely worse than Google in tracking. Unless your reason is to avoid Google specifically.

Some people unironically believe "Better China than Five Eyes, haha, they're too far away!".

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

#44

Get a Pixel 3/4 and throw GrapheneOS on it: https://grapheneos.org/ It's the best non-Google, privacy enhanced experience you can get at the moment.

Wow, I don't see that often, but when I tried (several times) to go to that link I get: Gah. Your tab just crashed. In Firefox (85.0.1 on Ubuntu 18.04). Works fine in Opera, though, and it looks like just a wall of text so I'm not sure why FF would be unhappy.

Firefox 86 Win 10 — works fine.

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

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Haha, you made my day. Huawei is likely worse than Google in tracking. Unless your reason is to avoid Google specifically.

Some people unironically believe "Better China than Five Eyes, haha, they're too far away!".

Why is that wrong?

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

#46
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Some people unironically believe "Better China than Five Eyes, haha, they're too far away!".

Why is that wrong?

I wondered that too and I concluded that it's because the threat model is different.

* China spying will steal your data and identity so the safety of your money and assets will be at risk. Your photos may be sold, your credit cards may be stolen, etc.

* Five Eyes spying will hurt you if you're non-normative. Say you're a casual drug user or perform low scale criminality. Or say you're doing a thing that's legal now but illegal later.

Presumably there's the idea that China could blackmail you but I have a hard time believing anyone would go for that over just letting their naked pics on the Internet.

So the Five Eyes spying is probably harmless to someone totally normative. The China spying is probably harmful to them.

For the non-normative, dark-web peer to peer Bitcoin user who is buying LSD, the China spying is probably better.

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

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Wow, I don't see that often, but when I tried (several times) to go to that link I get: Gah. Your tab just crashed. In Firefox (85.0.1 on Ubuntu 18.04). Works fine in Opera, though, and it looks like just a wall of text so I'm not sure why FF would be unhappy.

Wow indeed, same here. I don't recall seeing that for a very long time, if at all. FF85 on Ubuntu 16.04 x64

I haven't had any crashes, but I've had more and more sites not work with Firefox. The payroll site I use for my small business is the most annoying one, I have to switch to Safari to run payroll.

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

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Why not go sailfish? It also has an android shell that seems to run android apps just fine.

In a word: drivers.

Sailfish has a runtime for Android apps, but under the hood it's closer to other mobile Linux projects, and to that end the hardware compatibility is less like Lineage or /e/ and more like UBPorts.

Android's handling of the Linux kernel, until this current version cycle, has involved several forks per device -- patches from Google (the Android Common Kernel), then patches from chipset vendors, then patches from device vendors -- with closed binary drivers inserted at various points in this process. [0] Treble has been exposing generic hardware interfaces to system images since version 8, but the drivers themselves haven't had that kind of uniformity re: how they interface with the kernel itself.

There are projects that will adapt them to run GNU-based systems -- to use UBPorts as an example again, it actually does exist as a GSI -- but since the modifications needed to get them to run depend on a custom kernel, they're still device-specific.

Meanwhile, Android devices are required to run Google's entire test suite using a generic build of AOSP, so while GSI compatibility isn't perfect, the minimum baseline is effectively just the ability to unlock your bootloader.

[0] Generally. In some cases -- most Huawei devices, non-US Samsung models -- the device vendor is the chipset vendor. But that doesn't mean their chipset IP is any more open than, say, Qualcomm's, nor does necessarily alter that of other components like camera sensors.

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

#49
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Haha, you made my day. Huawei is likely worse than Google in tracking. Unless your reason is to avoid Google specifically.

Some people unironically believe "Better China than Five Eyes, haha, they're too far away!".

I see nothing wrong with that. Looking at where the US is going I'd hate to be there if something I like becomes the next Red Scare.

Re: Google-free /e/ OS is now selling preloaded phones in the US, starting at $380

#50

Get a Pixel 3/4 and throw GrapheneOS on it: https://grapheneos.org/ It's the best non-Google, privacy enhanced experience you can get at the moment.

Giving money to google to deGoogle yourself is an odd angle.
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