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Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by creinhardt »

rsj_hn wrote: post #320
elktea wrote: post #59

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The popular crusade against meat is one of the more misguided. Meat provides far more nutritional value than any plant and the environmental impacts have been greatly exaggerated. See below: Regarding carbon: "removal of livestock in the US would only lead to a net GHG reduction of 2.6% in national emissions. Similarly, removing all dairy would lead to a reduction of just 0.7%. At the same time, both transitions woul…

This isn't a crusade against meat, it's a crusade between Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods as to who will capture the (niche) alt-beef market. McDonald's signed an agreement making BM their preferred supplier of fake beef, so Impossible is put at a disadvantage. Absolutely none of this replaces any real beef with fake beef, or even results in less real beef eaten or sold.

Obviously I'm a sample size of one here, but i've stopped eating beef in the last year and have only been eating Beyond and Impossible. Long term i'd be shocked if some amount of the real beef market isn't taken by plant based.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by cphajduk »

chickenpotpie wrote: post #463
cphajduk wrote: post #125

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I'm not sure how the comparison is made, however Vitamin B12 can only be found in meat and eggs. If you do not have supplements or eat this type of vitamin containing protein, you risk paralysis and death with a 2+ year absence of the vitamin. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other missing nutrients as well.

That is incorrect, B12 is abundant in nutritional yeast

Because nutritional yeast is fortified. Hence a supplement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutritional_yeast#Nutrition

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by null0pointer »

jordache wrote: post #392

I tried the impossible whopper. You literally could not tell the difference between that and a normal beef whopper. I realized a lot the attributes of these commercial food products are the additions, like sauce, and toppings that contribute to that precisely calibrated flavor.

I tried the impossible whopper too and I could certainly tell the difference. It was very close, and if I wasn't paying attention I might not have noticed, but it does taste distinctly different.

Not trying to say you're wrong, just want to provide another datapoint. I tried it about a year ago, so maybe they've updated their recipe since then. I would encourage anyone reading to give it a try see what they think.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by tguvot »

RandallBrown wrote: post #32
partiallypro wrote: post #11

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Are there stats to back up that non-vegans begin consuming more vegan based meals if they have the option? And I mean more than once. A consumer might try it but then go back to normal. At there good stats on repeat buying on a large scale?

I have friends that prefer the Impossible breakfast sandwiches at Starbucks to their meat versions so that's what they order.

This sounds like a testimony to a quality (or actually absence of it) of starbucks food

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by core-questions »

dopidop wrote: post #435
core-questions wrote: post #395

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> For me, it was mostly about reducing suffering of other animals. I thought this way before but it's hard to change behavior and I liked hamburgers. I think this is the strongest argument and the environmental or nutritional arguments feel like side issues to avoid just tackling this issue directly. For me, this is the weakest argument. Animals are not people, and agriculturally farmed animals only exist because of…

> as someone who doesn't anthropomorphize them it's easy to simply not care whatsoever about their emotional state. It doesn't noticeably impact the quality of the meat You haven’t kill much, didn’t you? Otherwise you will know that stress and the way you kill the creature change it’s taste. Depending on what you are killing, it can be a dramatic change.

> You haven’t kill much, didn’t you?

A few things. Mostly fish. Mostly from lack of opportunity. I'm all for humane killing where possible, of course!

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by core-questions »

cyberlurker wrote: post #425
core-questions wrote: post #395

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> For me, it was mostly about reducing suffering of other animals. I thought this way before but it's hard to change behavior and I liked hamburgers. I think this is the strongest argument and the environmental or nutritional arguments feel like side issues to avoid just tackling this issue directly. For me, this is the weakest argument. Animals are not people, and agriculturally farmed animals only exist because of…

“Why help people in other countries when we have homeless? Why help homeless when we don’t help our veterans? Why help our veterans...”

False equivocation. And yes, I'd help veterans first.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by cphajduk »

pwinnski wrote: post #152
cphajduk wrote: post #125

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I'm not sure how the comparison is made, however Vitamin B12 can only be found in meat and eggs. If you do not have supplements or eat this type of vitamin containing protein, you risk paralysis and death with a 2+ year absence of the vitamin. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other missing nutrients as well.

I've read this before, and yet weirdly, there're literally hundreds of millions of people on this planet[0] who've never eaten meat once in their lives, and somehow they're not all paralyzed and dead before the age of two. I'm not a vegetarian, but maybe we can avoid obviously-false statements like this. Please? 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country

Yes sorry. You are right I wasn't very clear and also I didn't realize that B12 actually comes from bacteria and archaea.

The organisms that provide us vitamin B12 tend to host said bacteria and archaea within their GI.

Alternatively supplements are provided (as I mentioned). Nutritional yeast, dairy, and vitamin pills are some of the ways in which vegetarians survive. Apparently certain beans are high in B12 as well!

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by nkurz »

mike_d wrote: post #456
RandallBrown wrote: post #32

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I have friends that prefer the Impossible breakfast sandwiches at Starbucks to their meat versions so that's what they order.

Your friends probably don't like the fillers they use. The turkey bacon for example uses ground up cherry pits to bulk it out and reduce cost.

I think you must be wrong. Here's the ingredient list for Starbuck's turkey bacon:

Turkey Bacon [Turkey, Vinegar And Lemon Juice Concentrate, Water, Brown Sugar, Honey, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Seasoning (Natural Flavorings, Sea Salt), Cherry Powder, Evaporated Cane Sugar]

https://www.starbucks.com/menu/product/368/single?parent=%2F...

First, they are using "cherry powder", which I'm almost sure is ground cherry flesh, not pits. At least, all the examples I can find online are the fruit (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22cherry+powder%22), and I'm doubtful that they would be legally allowed to call pits "powder", since most cherry pits are often considered to be poisonous.

Second, the ingredients need to be order of weight. There is more salt, potassium chloride and seasoning than "cherry powder". While I'm sure their bacon is really seasoned and salty, this doesn't leave much room for a "bulking agent". And I'd be really surprised that "cherry powder" is cheaper than "turkey", as I recently bought an after-thanksgiving turkey for well less than $1/lb.

I'd be betting that the "cherry powder" is either being used as a flavoring, for the color, or to justify some spurious nutritional claim. But if you have more in-depth knowledge that would support your position that it's just cheap bulking agent, I'm happy to be wrong!

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by core-questions »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #451
core-questions wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For me, it was mostly about reducing suffering of other animals. I thought this way before but it's hard to change behavior and I liked hamburgers. I think this is the strongest argument and the environmental or nutritional arguments feel like side issues to avoid just tackling this issue directly. For me, this is the weakest argument. Animals are not people, and agriculturally farmed animals only exist because of…

>> I don't have to resort to dreams and plans. They're simply _not human_ and so as someone who doesn't anthropomorphize them it's easy to simply not care whatsoever about their emotional state. It doesn't noticeably impact the quality of the meat. I don't understand this. Why not care about the emotional state of the animal? You're going to kill it to eat it, there's no reason to cause it suffering too. In any case,…

> Why not care about the emotional state of the animal?

I don't need to. What benefit does it have for me, or for anyone, to sit around crying about the poor cow that became my prime rib dinner? It's utterly pointless. The cows will still be dying tomorrow, and my children will still be hungry like every other day.

I am not advocating for _more suffering_, man. Humane killing where possible. Free range when affordable. Organic when it makes sense. Ultimately, I'm advocating for cost effective, large scale agriculture that gets us the protein we need to survive. I don't have a huge pile of care to spare for the emotional feelings of chickens and pigs, sorry to say.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by Judgmentality »

I'm not asking this to rain on the parade - I love what these guys are doing but I have a question about their process and the ethics of it.

So in order to grow the meat, they have to culture the cells in bovine fetal serum, which they get from cow fetuses on their way to slaughter. My question is how much meat is grown per fetus?

> Cell-grown meat, I told him, would be spurred on by synthetic serums refined from the crude system currently used, where cells are bathed in fetal bovine serum. The serum, which promotes cell growth, is collected from the hearts of calf fetuses found in pregnant cattle gone to slaughter.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2019/mar/14/impossible-burg...

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