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Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Searchability really suffers in paper systems.

The search ability is one thing you will definitely want as your collection gets big. I got to know about stork-search from a post in hn and it worked very well for me, https://stork-search.net/

Yes. Orgmode mostly scratches this itch for me and has graph-of-notes rather than tree-of-notes already, and is reasonably futureproof.

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Hey! This looks super cool. The desktop app seems fairly explicitly single-user (looks like 1 big transit file). Do you have any opinions on using these tools in general and Athens in specific to do knowledge sharing among teams? (I would imagine that needs some kind of transaction log, mostly hoping transactions commute and maybe stacking the deck with something like Pijul.) Is the answer "host it as a web service"…

Using a filesync service such as Dropbox, you can sync state across multiple clients. We have a commercial user doing this. The single transit file won't scale however, so we've started working on a transaction log just as you said. Want to make sure it's pretty robust before deploying, however, as no data loss is the first priority! https://github.com/athensresearch/athens/pull/624 To your second answer, yes and yes…

> The single transit file won't scale however, so we've started working on a transaction log just as you said.

Would it be possible to deploy a web-based instance with the server handling storage and collaboration? If so, I might try my hand at packaging it for Sandstorm once that's available. Would make self-hosting Athens super easy for Sandstorm users.

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Roam has plans for offline-only storage.

Is that out of beta and working now? Also is it still only available in the $500 (?) dollar plan or what ever it was?

Nope and yes!

I am just pointing out that closed source doesn't necessarily mean 'not in control of your data'.

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Simplicity wins. Pencil and paper FTW

Searchability really suffers in paper systems.

Paper systems don't have to be "100% paper". All you need is the metadata from your notes. You can give each note a number and then add that number plus a couple tags and a short description to a spreadsheet. Alternatively, you can take a picture of the note and add that to your digital system. It's not how I currently do things, but it's infinitely better than a primitive digital system where you take notes and never touch them again.

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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This is amazing. Until very recently the only tree structure "outliners" I found somewhat viable were Workflowy, Dynalist, Roam and Transno, all of which are proprietary. Logseq eventually added an open source option, but that it fails to keep sub trees collapsed pretty much kills it. My current favorite note applications are Dynalist and Workflowy, but during my use I have always had a bad stomach feeling about priv…

I'm wondering how much of this can be implemented as a simple CLI tool that rebuilds a document graph by looking into a directory full of Markdown or Org notes. Ripgrep is certainly fast enough to perform search like that, without any index. That's how some Zettelkasten-like addons perform search on top of an Org directory.

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Athens has been incredible for me over the past week, as someone that has bounced around using Workflowy, Dynalist, and Obsidian. The great outliner features of the first two, and the backlinking and graphing of Obsidian. My only real reservation is that files are not in Markdown. Is there a plan to address that, or is a DB central to the architecture? Currently using LogSeq because of this but eager to switch.

Wow! I'm glad that more people are in my exact predicament.

I am currently using Obsidian, but would love a markdown-backed Workflowy interface that I could switch to if possible.

Perhaps logseq is that app?

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that out of beta and working now? Also is it still only available in the $500 (?) dollar plan or what ever it was?

Nope and yes! I am just pointing out that closed source doesn't necessarily mean 'not in control of your data'.

True. And too bad, would give it a try again otherwise.

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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I use obsidian right now. I do enjoy the convenience of markdown files, do you have any specific use case where the graph DB would be superior to them? Would it stop scaling at very large notes? Furthermore, the biggest painpoint for me is sync and cross-platform support. I have to use dayone, a journal app on iOS, because the experience (of actually writing thoughts) of any other app is just too inconvenient for rigorous daily usage.

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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Me and some friends have played around with Roam a bit and we are baffled by the app. It just does not work well. It is a badly-designed, lower performance, glitchy note-taking app. You end up staring at its gaudy giant astrolabe loading spinner more often than not. We look at it and end up baffled why anyone would pay a monthly subscription for it!

Re: Launch HN: Athens Research (YC W21) – Open-Source Roam Research

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A few alternatives in this space:

org-roam https://www.orgroam.com/

tiddlyroam https://tiddlyroam.org/

Dendron https://dendron.so/

Foam https://foambubble.github.io/foam/

Remnote https://www.remnote.io/

Obsidian https://obsidian.md/

logseq https://logseq.com/

Not an expert with them at all. I've never had a desire to dig into all their complexity, but some are pretty passionate about it.

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