Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked • Hacker News Board

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by sgtnoodle » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 6:27 PM UTC

pii wrote: post #356

sgtnoodle wrote: post #300

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You aren't coming across as genuine, though. Textual communication loses a lot of subtlety, but you figuratively started screaming mid-sentence. Is it fair to assume that people in the past have treated you like a dangerous person? Were you screaming at them? Were you trying to shame them into condemning something, thus forcing them to either submit themselves to you, or seemingly be implicated as the terrible thing…

Hey, I'm willing to have that discussion, sure. I am accepting the challenge to accept the rules of engagement you dictated. Are you willing to accept the challenge of accepting the rules of engagement I put forth - Acknowledge that neo-nazis are a problem, briefly state why? --- I think the GME stuff is a bit nuts, personally. I found the whole thing entertaining, but I find it hard to believe that most participants…

I invited you to share your opinions one way or another on two topics that I believe largely have common ground, and I appreciate your responses on both topics. I don't think it's comparable for you to challenge me with a "loaded question" that inherently puts me on the defensive, based on assumptions and false premises that I can't challenge without escalating the conversation into an argument. Do you see the difference there?

An equivalent prompt for discussion on the topic of neo-naziism would perhaps be, "I believe that neo-naziism is a problem. Do you agree with me? Why or why not?" I'll happily respond to that.

I think neo-naziism is one of the many appalling and terrible extremist ideologies that exist in the world, and people that willingly engage in it are bad people. In the general sense, it's certainly a problem; the world would be a better place if neo-nazis didn't exist. Within the context of politics in the United States, it's hard to say that it's a genuine problem. I'm an American, and I don't know of anyone within any degree of separation that would be fairly considered a neo-nazi, or is afflicted by neo-naziism. I live on the coast, though, and so may be in a bubble that's out of touch with other parts of the country. From my point of view, I think the problem is more that neo-naziism is a label that has been weaponized by the political left to rally their base against the political right. It seems comparable to the political right labeling their opponents as similarly nasty things to rally their base against the political left. I think it's about as likely that neo-naziism is a widespread concern within the political right as much as it is likely that the political left has a problem with child eating demon worshippers. It all seems like nonsense that doesn't match reality.

I agree with you on GME that it's unfortunate if anyone created a financial hardship for themselves by investing when they didn't understand the situation. I also agree that government oversight that actually functions effectively within its purpose would be way better than what we have now. I'm curious what your thoughts are on cryptocurrencies like bitcoin? I personally hate them, mainly for the environmental waste that proof-of-work algorithms create, but also for the blatant disregard for the majority of the world population's traditionally accumulated wealth.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by young_unixer » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 6:27 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #732

timsayshey wrote: post #527

I've been following Hacker News for over a decade and my sense of the community is that it has always been overwhelmingly pro free speech at any cost (even in the cases where it would protect something outright illegal). Now I'm hearing from many in the same community that free speech has been "weaponized" and must be controlled for the greater good. What happened? Seriously.

HN is what it is because it is not free speech absolutist. Posts get flagged. People get banned. This keeps spam and shills down to a level that signal can stand out from the noise. So in theory, people here may be "free speech absolutists", but in practice, we enjoy the environment that the moderation here enables. At some level, we know via experience that free speech absolutism is not where we want to live. And ye…

I'm a "free speech absolutist", meaning: you can't be imprisoned or physically attacked for what you say.

HN is a private space. It can have its own arbitrary acceptance rules, and that has nothing to do with free speech.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Karawebnetwork » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 6:28 PM UTC

pid_0 wrote: post #727

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #681

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He did not write the word alone. The quote itself is: "Mentally ill tr**ny demon hackers (I’m very serious) are attacking Gab right now."

You know, putting an asterisk in the word doesn't magically make a word not offensive. It reads the same way. People see it the same way. Just write the word out. He said, "Mentally ill tranny demon hackers (I’m very serious) are attacking Gab right now." Clearly he is a stable and happy person with no insecurities.

Why would I change my behavior for a stranger with a one year old account that has less than 15 karma? You clearly do not understand the tone that is used on HN.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by amaccuish » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 6:28 PM UTC

pid_0 wrote: post #727

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #681

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He did not write the word alone. The quote itself is: "Mentally ill tr**ny demon hackers (I’m very serious) are attacking Gab right now."

You know, putting an asterisk in the word doesn't magically make a word not offensive. It reads the same way. People see it the same way. Just write the word out. He said, "Mentally ill tranny demon hackers (I’m very serious) are attacking Gab right now." Clearly he is a stable and happy person with no insecurities.

You're distracting from the fact that you, probably intentionally since the full comment is either not mentioned on most websites, or in full on others, removed part of a quote. Why you did this, I cannot say for certain, but I feel like, with your repitition of "Clearly he is a stable and happy person with no insecurities." that you have a have a particular viewpoint, and after seeing your other comments, transphobic, ugly and a troll.

There are people on this forum that will disagree with me on transgenderism, but comments like yours will not allow us to have a fruitful and meaningful conversation.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by throwawaysea » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 6:36 PM UTC

sellyme wrote: post #99

throwawaysea wrote: post #73

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The number of messages on Parler that had content like that was probably very limited. You’re cherry picking one message on a platform with double digit millions of users to paint a certain picture. But let’s not forget about all the violence in BLM riots over the last year, much of which was organized and popularized on social media platforms like Twitter or Facebook, who all get a pass. And yes it is a free speech…

> The number of messages on Parler that had content like that was probably very limited. Why are you saying "probably"? A lot of it was backed up. You can go check for yourself, it was very markedly not limited.

Feel free to share your hard evidence, with comparisons to total number of users and total message volume. Until then, you're making an unproven claim.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by xupybd » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 6:36 PM UTC

AzzieElbab wrote: post #606

Proziam wrote: post #551

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I personally have very mixed feelings about Trump as a whole. On the one hand, I didn't vote for him. I see him as divisive and as an obstacle for progress on real issues that I personally care about. However, he has done a few things that I have sincere appreciation for. Primarily, we made significant gains towards peace in the middle east by negotiating treaties in the region. Another point in the win column (leadi…

I liked how Eric Weinstein described Trump as "existential threat". The idea was that while Trump is asking the right questions and does his best to follow up with the right policies, in the process of doing so he makes these issues "ugly" and tamed with "Trumpisism" assuring that no one ever will come back to these issues. Example: most American want stronger border, most Americans wont be caught dead screaming "...…

Yes that is getting insane. Sections of the border wall are unfinished and now getting extra border patrol agents to police the unfinished sections. You can be police the border but you can't build a wall. All because a wall is now connected to Trump. Yet it does the same job as border patrol agents but with less risk of people getting shot.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by vkou » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 6:40 PM UTC

folknor wrote: post #700

Delmania wrote: post #463

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Conservative means what it has always meant. The political belief that the law should bind outsiders but not protect them and that it should protect insiders but not bind them.

That's not what conservative means in my country, and frankly without a prefix it's indecipherable. If someone at the pub here says "I'm a conservative", you can actually infer nothing from that statement. In most cases, you'd probably be correct in thinking that the person would be more inclined to preserve the status quo than changing it too quickly, for fear of unforeseen consequences. Also, a simple Google search…

> In most cases, you'd probably be correct in thinking that the person would be more inclined to preserve the status quo than changing it too quickly, for fear of unforeseen consequences.

This does not encompass reactionary conservatives that have become incredibly prominent as a political group in the United States, to the point of completely taking over one of the two political parties.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Schiendelman » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 6:42 PM UTC

jki275 wrote: post #736

Schiendelman wrote: post #730

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I'm not sure what you think is a lie here. A part of the party marches with a flag with that symbol. You can find it in guides to neo-Nazi symbols. Then their stage is shaped like it. It's very important to put the burden of proof on the political party that has actual Nazis in it, not on people pointing to what's a very strong coincidence.

No, some jackasses who are not "a part of the party" might use some image on some flag that I've never even seen with a rune nobody of any importance had ever heard of since WWII until yesterday. That's the fact of thing. If you want to talk about imagery, let's talk about the Bolshevik imagery incorporated purposely into the groups who ran the recent "summer of love" who were pandered to and supported by people like…

If "nobody" had heard of that rune "since WWII", how did it get on that flag at Charlottesville, or in a separate guide to symbols used by neo-Nazis?

I'm sorry that you have a political axe to grind, but you're not doing yourself any good by pretending things.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by ttt0 » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 6:42 PM UTC

Schiendelman wrote: post #722

ttt0 wrote: post #675

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Yes, because attacking them for that stage is slanderous? That's what slander is. I haven't seen anyone picking up that "dog whistle" besides people like you. edit: search on twitter the phrase "cpac rune based" or "cpac stage based". If it was a dog whistle, I would expect someone to pick up on it and call it "based". Yet the only people who are talking about it are the people who are making those stupid accusations…

I would NOT expect someone to talk about it publicly. That's why CPAC would hedge and not openly deny they used a Nazi symbol. This is how a group that knows they need to hide communicate with one another.

You know what? You convinced me, you're right. All those Jewish people that are involved in the CPAC are totally followers of Hitler's ideology. You're clearly a very smart and intelligent person, so I don't need to care if you will make yourself look like a fool, just like I don't need to care about this joke of a conference that called itself "America Uncancelled" and then proceeded to cancel people.

Please kill all of my snarky comments in this thread with downvotes, as they were inappropriate and it's a flamewar that has no place on HN.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by relaxing » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 6:45 PM UTC

throwaway19937 wrote: post #697

relaxing wrote: post #646

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What were the fraud claims of 2004 and 2016? 2000 was a unique case, and both sides were upset with the process (rightfully so.) On the left I see claims of disenfranchisement done through legal means, which whether you agree with or not is at least something real and concrete.

The 2000 election was a mess. ( https://www.law.gmu.edu/assets/files/publications/working_pa... ) makes what I consider a credible argument that Gore was in the wrong. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_election_vo... ) has a pretty good summary of the issues. The voting machine claims were a big deal at the time; I remember a lot of news coverage about that the voting machine companies were owned by…

I remember 2004 well, and the concerns around electronic voting machines. But there were no allegations of impropriety once the count took place. The rest of that Wikipedia article is the usual list of enfranchisement issues.

I haven’t seen anyone claiming Russian hacking changed the vote tallies of 2016. I remember the hacking “questions” being quite clear that the results of the election were not in question.