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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Why is the second sentence of this article about how the CEO of Gab used a Transphobic slur? It kind of seems like the author threw that in there to make sure the reader agrees with their political views, but the article doesn't say what the slur was, and I don't think the author would defend the idea that being transphobic makes it okay to hack a person's website, but it kind of feels like that's the point implicitl…

He said “trannies” I wouldn’t say it’s a transphobic slur. He said it to clearly piss off people though. The ceo sounds like a very secure, happy person with no mental problems. Also, transgender issues aren’t political. Modern monetary theory can be political. Immigration policies are political. Human rights are not political. I’m not a liberal or anything, just a rational person.

He did not write the word alone. The quote itself is: "Mentally ill tr**ny demon hackers (I’m very serious) are attacking Gab right now."

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These ideas are the QAnon of the left. The GOP is without question stuck in a cult of personality, but that was not a Nazi symbol.

It's not clear that's the case. CPAC hasn't been willing to deny it. And the Charlottesville protestors did use that symbol: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/12/flags-and-oth...

How is it relevant to CPAC that it was used in Charlottesville?

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What is the context for this quote? Swartz never created a social media platform nor had to make decisions on how to moderate user generated content across millions of users. He made JSTOR articles freely available.

> Swartz never created a social media platform nor had to make decisions on how to moderate user generated content across millions of users. He is credited as a co-founder of Reddit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz

Swartz created a company called Infogami "that would help users build websites". That company merged with reddit, which had already raised $100K. Swartz didn't create a social media platform, and he never had to make decisions on how to moderate user generated content across millions of users.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Why is the second sentence of this article about how the CEO of Gab used a Transphobic slur? It kind of seems like the author threw that in there to make sure the reader agrees with their political views, but the article doesn't say what the slur was, and I don't think the author would defend the idea that being transphobic makes it okay to hack a person's website, but it kind of feels like that's the point implicitl…

> It feels like yet another injection of politics into what was previously a tech-focused website.

So, I've had an an account here since 2012, and was a reader before; this kind of comment is older than my presence here, and, if it ever existed, so is the time that HN was a politics-free tech-focussed website. [0]

Political issues, especially tech-adjacent ones or ones that aren't inherently so but which are raised directly in the context of tech issues, have been a major subject here for a very long time.

You are free, of course, to start your own tech discussion site with a firm no-politics (by whatever standard you want to delineate “politics”) rule, if you like.

[0] EDIT: except for a planned-as-brief-and-still-abandoned-early experiment.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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"fascist" is such an easy word to use without really knowing what it means, slowly degrading its power.

Definition of fascism 1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Taking the example of France, which I know better (caution: right/left in Europe does not mean quite the same as for Americans). The left (in particular the lefter parties) accuse the right to be racists, islamophobes, antisemites, sexists, at the heel of the bourgeoisie & capitalists, hostile to the working class, and guilty of ecological inaction. The right (not just the far right, even centre-right like the curren…

There's also, I think (disclaimer, righty lean), kind of a lack of understanding that goods conflict with each other. For example, how is diversity really born? Friction, separation. That's how it works biologically, and that's how cultures have grown different as well. Japanese people figuring out Japanese solutions to Japanese problems, Brits doing that in Britain, and so on. There were a lot of these when travel w…

I don't have the courage to have a deep conversation about everything you're talking to, I'm just going to give a different perspective on a couple things (disclaimer: I'm talking about leftists and non-conservative like they have uniform opinions about these things. They do not, it's mostly my POV that I know to be somewhat common):

> Liberalism is not merely valuing liberty, and wishing a high degree of it

The idea that "liberalism is about more liberty" (or something we often hear in France "the left values equality more, the right values liberty more") is something is disagree with _so much_. Liberalism is about laissez-faire, jungle law, survival of the fittest. That means the powerful/rich are very free, the less-powerful are free within the bounds set by the powerful: they have to work long hours in stupid jobs and their whole society (laws, means of consumption, social benefits) is set by the powerful. In effect, almost nobody is free to do what they want, only to do what they manage to get resources for (which is often not much). Being a "wage slave" is just one aspect of it.

You're talking about the French Revolution, which is an _excellent_ example of an uprising of the working class that's been subverted by the bourgeoisie. The bourgeoisie set the foundation of liberalism on the back of the people's uprise and continues to reap the benefits, the ideals of the revolutionaries most definitely were not aligned with liberalism. We see this again in the second French Revolution, then with the National Council of the Resistance whose ideals and achievements have been deconstructed by decades of liberalist policies.

> Wanting a locality to remain more like it is and retain its character is a desire for a good, it's not an evil thing

I think it's probably the argument that non-conservative struggle the most to argue against, because it's something that's simply not important to them. They just wave it away, because having their locality remain like it is is not particularly important to them. It's not _not_ important, but it's very secondary to making sure that the people's condition (both in this locality and outside of it), ie their rights/freedom/outcomes/wellbeing, is as good as it can be. I personally find it hard to think that one can morally think otherwise, but moral is a very personal thing.

And _in addition_ to having different values on what's important (human's condition versus the locality staying the same), I also believe that more than enough diversity is created, and we need more diffusion of it rather than less. I think the biggest threat to diversity is not people moving across borders, it is global corporations flooding local markets (Americanism is an obvious example, Chinese manufacture flooding Africa is another).

> Biology's the same, animals become different to cope with environmental pressure and we celebrate this. We rightly think it's a richness.

I abhor the very notion that because something is "natural", it is a good thing for society. Especially when we're in the realm of metaphors and analogies.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Claims about electoral fraud are a regular occurrence in American politics. Democrats made similar claims about at least the 2000, 2004, and 2016 elections. Trump's claims about election fraud and the sheer number of lawsuits are an escalation but it isn't a difference in kind. Edited to add the following. The child post correctly points out that I should have mentioned Trump's inciting a violent attempt to overthrow…

How about inciting his supporters to attempt to halt the transition of power? It seems like you conveniently forgot about that while drawing your false equivalence.

That's just Hanlon's razor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor) in action. I have edited my post to correct this omission.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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I've been following Hacker News for over a decade and my sense of the community is that it has always been overwhelmingly pro free speech at any cost (even in the cases where it would protect something outright illegal). Now I'm hearing from many in the same community that free speech has been "weaponized" and must be controlled for the greater good. What happened? Seriously.

Well...there was the small matter of a violent insurrection at the Capitol Building by people who variously: flew the Confederate flag, believed Democrats eat babies, refuse to believe the results of the election, all of which are nonsense beliefs or causes that were magnified on social media. At some point people in general - and HN in particular - have to decide when to rein in bad actors crying wolf. Otherwise the…

I just have to point out that your comment reads to me like you are crying wolf.

However, I'm not a US citizen so I don't follow the situation closely.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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We (all sane people) want less nazism. Branding everything as nazism does not help. It is not a good thing if people go around thinking that their friendly republican neighbor or grandmother/grandfather is a nazi. It might lead some (who doesn't know better) to think nazism isn't that bad. Besides, Nazism is a particular brand of evil and you fight them better if you learn the correct terminology, so it is a win-win…

I do not mean the confederate flag: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/12/flags-and-oth...

OK, now we are talking.

And we've also just proven my point together as well: so many people have been calling ordinary people nazis that when someone actually bring nazi symbols and colours to the convention I refuse to believe it. (And yes, I will check more sources before I claim this happened.)

Edit: read and reread the link. I couldn't find anything to connect the Republican party and all those flags? I specifically searched for "convention", "party" and "stage" based on your comments but I saw nothing relevant.

Now English is not my first language but are you sure you gave me the correct link, and if so, can you point me to the smoking gun?

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