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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by soundnote »

saila wrote: post #88
leesalminen wrote: post #6

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> Both market to the (mostly American) far right, with their shtick being basically "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". It’s incredible that supporting free speech is considered to be only important enough to the “far right” now to be worth marketing to. Free speech used to be something all Americans supported and defended.

Just because Gab and Parler claim to support free speech absolutism--and use that for marketing purposes--doesn't make it true. I signed up on Gab recently to see what people were talking about on there, and the discussion is far less diverse than Twitter (there's just no comparison). Twitter has X, Y, and Z Twitter, whereas Gab basically seems to be just Q Twitter these days. And on Gab, you'll get shouted down with…

> I signed up on Gab recently to see what people were talking about on there, and the discussion is far less diverse than Twitter (there's just no comparison). Twitter has X, Y, and Z Twitter, whereas Gab basically seems to be just Q Twitter these days.

Gab being Q twitter is probably related to this: https://twitter.com/beeeeeers/status/1358141547057848320

That said, mostly any platform that allows some kind of speech banned on mainstream platforms will initially turn into a hive of said banned content for completely obvious reasons.

> I've seen the same thing on so-called "patriot" live streams that also claim free speech absolutism but then ban you for saying anything they don't want to hear, even good-faith efforts to explain the motivations of the "other side."

This does sound sad. I've found a few places online where there are people of all manner of creeds and they're some of the best places. They usually don't contain wokelets or rabid Q people, which probably explains why they remain nice and interesting.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by nix23 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #346
nix23 wrote: post #307

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Isn't it beautiful how the American and western society's rips itself apart? Man vs Women, Woman vs Trans, Gay vs Lesbians, White vs Black..oh sorry i mean People of no Color vs People of Color, Democrats vs Republicans and so on...zero consensus on each side what our society should be. It's like the KGB wins the cold war after all...with a small delay. Yuri Bezmenov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA https…

Zero conses (consensus?)? Yes there is, it's "don't be a dick", which I'm sure everyone can agree on.

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by timsayshey »

I think all censorship should be deplored. My position is that bits are not a bug. That we should create communications technologies that allow people to send whatever they like to each other. And when people put their thumbs on the scale and try to say what can and can't be sent, we should fight back - both politically through protest and technologically through software. - Aaron Swartz

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by JeremyNT »

timsayshey wrote: post #527

I've been following Hacker News for over a decade and my sense of the community is that it has always been overwhelmingly pro free speech at any cost (even in the cases where it would protect something outright illegal). Now I'm hearing from many in the same community that free speech has been "weaponized" and must be controlled for the greater good. What happened? Seriously.

> Now I'm hearing from many in the same community that free speech has been "weaponized" and must be controlled for the greater good. What happened? Seriously.

Is this really an opinion espoused here (in non-greyed-out downvoted comments) or is this a straw man / exaggeration? This is an actual question, not meant as a flame.

I would suggest that HN broadly is in fact more accepting of the idea that platform holders should somehow moderate their content than it used to be, but HN also remains (broadly) very skeptical of the platform holders' ability or will to execute such policies well or fairly.

The truth is that platform holders have de-facto moderation - that is, their algorithmic feeds that decide what to amplify and what to bury in the name of generating ad revenue. It seems to me personally that these approaches are failing us all, a fact that has only become really obvious in recent years. I would say this development has now opened up a lot of room for discussion.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by rbanffy »

vinger wrote: post #575
rbanffy wrote: post #514

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While I agree he's far from perfect (at the very least he sanctioned a couple extrajudicial executions and a coup in my home country) he seems to be a loving husband and father, can complete sentences and expose coherent reasoning. He clearly shows signs of a very superior intelligence, never declared bankruptcy (and never bankrupted a casino!) or defrauded investors, nor cheated on every single wife he had (he's sti…

All of those things apply to most of the population. Maybe a firefighters or a teacher or a policeman should be looked at as a hero before a politician.

Maybe. OTOH, a politician can be a huge influence for good. Kennedy's "We chose the Moon" speech influenced generations of engineers and scientists all over the world. JFK was not a good role model and, yet, he managed to bring out the best in a whole lot of people.

Humans are flawed - we can't escape that. Every human has a dark side but, it seems, some humans have a very large one.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Schiendelman »

skinkestek wrote: post #492
Schiendelman wrote: post #432

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We (all sane people) want less nazism. Branding everything as nazism does not help. It is not a good thing if people go around thinking that their friendly republican neighbor or grandmother/grandfather is a nazi. It might lead some (who doesn't know better) to think nazism isn't that bad. Besides, Nazism is a particular brand of evil and you fight them better if you learn the correct terminology, so it is a win-win…

I do not mean the confederate flag: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/08/12/flags-and-oth...

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by meibo »

pid_0 wrote: post #578
ghostpepper wrote: post #566

Why is the second sentence of this article about how the CEO of Gab used a Transphobic slur? It kind of seems like the author threw that in there to make sure the reader agrees with their political views, but the article doesn't say what the slur was, and I don't think the author would defend the idea that being transphobic makes it okay to hack a person's website, but it kind of feels like that's the point implicitl…

He said “trannies” I wouldn’t say it’s a transphobic slur. He said it to clearly piss off people though. The ceo sounds like a very secure, happy person with no mental problems. Also, transgender issues aren’t political. Modern monetary theory can be political. Immigration policies are political. Human rights are not political. I’m not a liberal or anything, just a rational person.

"Trannies" is definitely transphobic and the direct equivalent to "faggot".

Transgender issues and human rights issues are political because politics are what create them and politics are what can solve them.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by soundnote »

anigbrowl wrote: post #111
errantmind wrote: post #28

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Yes, it can be called free speech, although there can be repercussions when that speech falls into slander / libel / defamation. Outside of that, why would you ever want the government deciding what you can and cannot say? Right now you may be aligned with the government, but that can change very easily in the future

Well, suppose there's a group of people saying that another group of people (which happens to include you) should be killed as soon as possible. In an ideal world, they probably wouldn't do that because they'd recognize that collective aggression against others could rebound on them, but in the imperfect world we actually occupy it happens all the time. Of course, you could just figure they'll limit their social oppo…

That happens. My favourite is that people like me are "born into not being human", which I'm supposed to be ok with.

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Post by nix23 »

rbanffy wrote: post #484
jejones3141 wrote: post #465

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The Democrats had their cult of personality in the Obama years.

At least he was a better role model.

The whole thing with closing Guantanamo? Spying on american citizens truth the NSA, or massively increasing drone attacks?

Or do you mean the sympathetic and nice personality he showed in public?

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by AzzieElbab »

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #561
jejones3141 wrote: post #465

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The Democrats had their cult of personality in the Obama years.

Not even close. No one was talking about Obama splitting the party and seeking revenge against ideological bedfellows after serving only one term.

no one but the press is talking about it now either
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