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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by justin66 »

pid_0 wrote: post #578
ghostpepper wrote: post #566

Why is the second sentence of this article about how the CEO of Gab used a Transphobic slur? It kind of seems like the author threw that in there to make sure the reader agrees with their political views, but the article doesn't say what the slur was, and I don't think the author would defend the idea that being transphobic makes it okay to hack a person's website, but it kind of feels like that's the point implicitl…

He said “trannies” I wouldn’t say it’s a transphobic slur. He said it to clearly piss off people though. The ceo sounds like a very secure, happy person with no mental problems. Also, transgender issues aren’t political. Modern monetary theory can be political. Immigration policies are political. Human rights are not political. I’m not a liberal or anything, just a rational person.

> Human rights are not political.

Amnesty International and the oppressive governments of Burma, Saudi Arabia, etc. would both find such a sentiment laughably naive.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by jcranmer »

Proziam wrote: post #521
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #449

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> by worldwide standards America actually ranges from center-right (Democrats) to far-right (Republicans) OhBoyHereWeGo.jpg It's stupid to try and condense the political ideology of the US (or almost any nation) down to one spectrum and then try and map that onto the rest of the world when we (and the rest of the world) have a lot of ideology based on "well party X took position Y because party V had position W back…

From my point of view as an American who has lived in Europe (Sweden, later Germany, and the UK) my framing of the US political situation is as follows: Democrats tend to be authoritarian and pro-centralization of power. Republicans tend to be anti-authoritarian and pro-decentralization. Both major parties have a long history of deep corruption. They've essentially colluded to rob the American people blind. Unfortuna…

It feels to me as if you are focusing your attention solely on the national parties and coming to view authoritarian and centralization on very narrow terms (e.g., use of executive orders). Take a step back, look at the broader contexts of the parties at the state and local levels, and it becomes more clear that your labels are not particularly accurate.

Take centralization. You see that the Republicans are pro-decentralization. Except they're the party that's trying to delete California's air quality rules in favor of federalized ones. And also delete state net neutrality rules in favor of (lack of) federal ones. Drill down to the state level, and it's clear that their policy on centralization versus decentralization is actually about "the rules should be decided on whatever level we hold power." In states where there is a Republican lock on state government, any Democratic city that dares to pass progressive legislation will not infrequently be met with a state law restricting their ability to pass that legislation. A few states passed laws prohibiting localities from enacting mask mandates. The "bathroom bills" are another example of this effect.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by bitdizzy »

milkrocks wrote: post #612
pid_0 wrote: post #578

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He said “trannies” I wouldn’t say it’s a transphobic slur. He said it to clearly piss off people though. The ceo sounds like a very secure, happy person with no mental problems. Also, transgender issues aren’t political. Modern monetary theory can be political. Immigration policies are political. Human rights are not political. I’m not a liberal or anything, just a rational person.

Transgender issues are political when the government forces you to use made up terms like Xe/Xim or they/their instead of him/her to appease the mentally ill at the risk of being fined or jailed.

All words are made up and no one is going to fine you or jail you for being a jerk.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by relaxing »

evgen wrote: post #488
mfer wrote: post #410

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> As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America actually ranges from center-right (Democrats) to far-right (Republicans), Does anyone have a good global breakdown of political ideology? What we call the west (North America, Europe, Australia, etc) is about 20% of the global population. These are the sources I usually see. I’m curious about this stuff globally

OP is radically incorrect regarding where US parties would fit on a global scale. There is actually a lot of good research out available in political science papers based on large-scale surveys conducted over decades that show the US parties to be close to the middle of the right and left respectively. If you removed health care from the equation (given how messed up this is in the US) then the two parties would actu…

Well, I would like to see their methodology. Obviously these are data points that are hard to assign categorical labels to, let alone quantifiable values.

I’d guess that by looking at the wide spectrum of governance with an inclusive view of Western democracies, you could come to the conclusion that economically-liberal powers share much in common.

On the other hand, when commentators make these comparisons they’re generally comparing a handful of exemplar Northern European democratic-socialist governments on a subset of hot-button issues (racial and economic justice, foreign policy, economic regulation, etc.) because that’s where the political action is.

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Post by dagmx »

feralimal wrote: post #227
dagmx wrote: post #223

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It's a bit rich to claim you're neither right nor left, when you're constantly repeating right wing talking points. Maybe you don't prescribe to a label, but all your arguments thus far all hinge on labels and not policy.

Ok - here's my criticism of the 'right'. They talk about less government, but never do anything about it! Never. They will say whatever it is that sounds good to conservatives, but do the opposite. Left and right are all on board with the same system. And this is increasing a fascist system, run by corporations. But whatever the case - if people purport to have a constitution that allows for free speech - but that a…

You have a flawed understanding of free speech.

It only protects against retribution by the government. It doesn't extend to society accepting any and all speech was acceptable.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by hanche »

toolz wrote: post #625
hanche wrote: post #623

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You do have some valid points, but presently we seem to be talking past each other, so I think I'll let the matter drop for now. But thanks for giving me something to mull over.

thanks for the engagement and respect - always feels great to take the opposite position against a respectful individual

Likewise. This is hacker news. We do not want it otherwise here. Or anywhere else, for that matter.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by dagmx »

soundnote wrote: post #445
dagmx wrote: post #200

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This is a very interesting world view you have where Hitler is left wing. I think that alone scuppers any substance to your argument. Stalin and Mao would only be left wing if you prescribe to the thought that communism by nature must only be left wing. I assume your train of thought on Hitler is similar because you're likely equating the socialist word in the Nazi party to left wing socialism. At best this is dishon…

Isn't the flipside of that coin that leftism is more or less just plain good and ceases to be leftism the moment it deviates from what we think of as good, ie. basically a No True Scotsman? One reason the Marxist kind of thought pattern is dangerous is because of something like that. The ideas in and of themselves can sound good and appealing - who wants poor people to live in squalor and so on? But if we look at wha…

I'm hardly invoking any sort of no true Scotsman fallacy.

I'm asking for people to delve into the so called left wing policy of the people they're claiming are left wing dictators.

So far people have only been listing people by their party names. Which would mean that North Korea is a bastion of democracy. I'm asking for substance to back up their assertions.

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Post by dagmx »

leereeves wrote: post #254
dagmx wrote: post #225

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Can you list them and their body counts + Policies that caused those deaths?

Fortunately someone has already done so. It's far from a complete list, but it's enough to prove the point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_...

Where exactly is the list by numbers across the board? Unless you believe only community regimes kill.

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Post by jmull »

Proziam wrote: post #551
iSnow wrote: post #534

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IDK man, the last POTUS didn't seem so anti-authoritarian to me, but that might again be an outside position.

I personally have very mixed feelings about Trump as a whole. On the one hand, I didn't vote for him. I see him as divisive and as an obstacle for progress on real issues that I personally care about. However, he has done a few things that I have sincere appreciation for. Primarily, we made significant gains towards peace in the middle east by negotiating treaties in the region. Another point in the win column (leadi…

> I find it difficult to attribute him to either party.

When your mental model is persistently at odds with the way things work out in reality, you need to reexamine your mental model.

Trump thinks he’s a Republican. A large majority of Republicans enthusiastically agree. I don’t know what you mean by “attribute” but however he got there, Trump is very definitely a Republican.

It might help to recognize that a political party in the US is not one thing. They are a shifting coalition of groups and individuals who have found a way to work together, sometimes comfortably and sometimes not, sometimes for the long term and sometimes not. The policies shift and people change continuously as each tries to get and keep power.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by bitdizzy »

soundnote wrote: post #424
shadowgovt wrote: post #399

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The political spectrum of tech is pretty centrist. Leaning fiscal-conservative, even. It's the right wing of American politics that has swung so far to the right of where it used to be that it's made tech look Democratic in contrast. If tech employees are supporting Democrats, it's because the alternative has come to look insane.

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> He's routinely called a transphobe.

Because he routinely harasses other trans people and has a coterie of cis people chomping at the bit to bully trans kids he retweets and mocks. He's not called that for the quote you chose. I think similarly the rest of your points are warped and exaggerated to fit your view that you are under siege by "open lunatics" because you're tired of certain people you find undesirable having a collective voice all of a sudden.

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