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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by notahacker »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #234
dagmx wrote: post #229

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All the "conservative" policies you listed are currently being championed for by the left however.

Who is responsible for cancel culture? Tech censorship? "Believe All Women"? Who is calling for a new War on Terror targeting the domestic population?

> Who is responsible for cancel culture?

This depends on is being cancelled. It's not the left that cancelled Kapaernick or the artists formerly known as the Dixie Chicks or howled with rage that the Supreme Court - with the exception of three conservative justices - ruled their longstanding practice of cancelling gay people unconstitutional.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by wokwokwok »

abernard1 wrote: post #281
wokwokwok wrote: post #278

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What point are you making? Those are the “far right” (or “far left” depending on your views) in those contexts. The point remains: extreme views will gravitate to these platforms. That is “far right”. If you don’t prefer that title call it “extremist views”; it’s irrelevant what you label it; the point remains entirely valid.

The point is there's nothing inherently "far right" about the technology or the platform. Protection of offensive speech is a bedrock classical liberal view.

> The point is there’s nothing inherently “far right”...

The point being made is that the application of censorship on some platforms results in a uneven distribution of users with such views in platforms that don’t due to self selection.

If the entire population has an X% rate of folk with extreme views, and 0% are allowed on platforms A, B, C... but platform D allows it.

The regardless of the overall distribution of users you cannot deny that the rate of folk with extreme views on D will be more than the 0% on A, B, and C.

Like, it’s not a matter of opinion; that’s just a fact.

So it’s fair to say Gab has higher proportion of users with extreme views simply by allowing them; that is, it is inherently controversial to even allow controversial discourse on your platform.

I don’t care if you don’t like that; that’s irrelevant. It’s simply not correct to assert that the platform is not to blame; when different platforms enforce different rules you get different content on different platforms.

It’s the same for porn, under age users, pictures of dogs ffs.

If you allow it, you’ll get it... and if you do when no one else does, you’ll get attention for being the “only Platform with [whatever]”.

The argument to here is about if the content is good or not; whether Gab is “far right” or “far left” is just arbitrary bs labels that distracts from the actual discussion of the content itself.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Draken93 wrote: post #306
nix23 wrote: post #296

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>I do care about their offensive/hate speech though. The far right is a minority, and you are actually the one who try to restrict them with the label "offensive/hate"..is that correct?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance You are right, exactly that is my point!

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Post by nix23 »

zokula wrote: post #277
feralimal wrote: post #183

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I bet you think North Korea is a Democratic Republic as well?

You really should learn more about the NS, it was socialistic, but just for the nation, if your interested, that book is a great analysis of hitler:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Meaning_of_Hitler_(book)

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Post by oooooooooooow »

wokwokwok wrote: post #278
abernard1 wrote: post #267

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> Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. And in Hong Kong, it's anti-CCP protestors. In Iran, it is opponents of the theocracy. We can play this game all day. Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the…

What point are you making? Those are the “far right” (or “far left” depending on your views) in those contexts. The point remains: extreme views will gravitate to these platforms. That is “far right”. If you don’t prefer that title call it “extremist views”; it’s irrelevant what you label it; the point remains entirely valid.

This reasoning directly leads to "twitter is the authority on what constitutes an extreme view"

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Post by orf »

abernard1 wrote: post #275
_r0fz wrote: post #271

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> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them Correct. We hate nazis.

> Correct. We hate nazis. If you believe there are 10s of millions of Nazis in America, you have issues.

Serious question: how many people would you estimate identify as Nazis, or hold highly anti-semitic/racist + authoritarian views in America?

Hundreds of thousands? A million?

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Post by brigandish »

zokula wrote: post #277
feralimal wrote: post #183

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I bet you think North Korea is a Democratic Republic as well?

Normally, people use "socialism" synonymously (intentionally or unknowningly) with _international_ socialism. There are plenty of other kinds, and _national_ socialism is one of them.

Obviously, if you're going to name your faction with a preceding adjective like national/international then:

a) it's important to you

b) you're probably not going to get along with the other faction that is named in direct opposition to yours

Which pretty much explains how these two groups of socialists hate each other and why the Nazi's 25 point plan [0] reads 50% nationalist and 50% socialist.

It's not a misnomer, unlike the DPRK.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program#The...

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by fenderbluesjr »

dagmx wrote: post #223
feralimal wrote: post #219

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It's a bit rich to claim you're neither right nor left, when you're constantly repeating right wing talking points. Maybe you don't prescribe to a label, but all your arguments thus far all hinge on labels and not policy.

He didn't state any of his own political views so you can't place him. You should consider whether those talking points actually have some legitimacy rather than using them to identify which group he's in. This is actually part of the problem he refers to.
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