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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Gab is a site that caters to hate groups. I guess the targets of their hatred take it personally. That seems rational to me.

If there is suspicion of crime, the government can get a subpoena. Otherwise, innocent until proven guilty. This seems rational to me.

> innocent until proven guilty

That's not cool anymore.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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post #63

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Genuinely, I want to find common ground with people who don't say anyone who isn't a neo-nazi is ALL THE WAY LEFT AND A DANGEROUS PERSON

Maybe you could start by realizing the vast majority of people on the right aren’t neo-nazis.

"I won't acknowledge that neo-nazis are a problem"

Sorry, did I misunderstand you?

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Alternative viewpoint: platforms without censorship tend to be right wing because that is what succeeds in a free marketplace of ideas. Left wing ideas require censorship to thrive.

How many left wing dictators have there been?

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. Compounding this is PR and network effects. Once they become known as the place for the far right, then more far righters go there, and more distant people avoid it.

Alternative viewpoint: platforms without censorship tend to be right wing because that is what succeeds in a free marketplace of ideas. Left wing ideas require censorship to thrive.

Mainstream ideas require censorship to survive. In the 60-70s it was the left that was obsessed with free speech because their views were less mainstream, something many people on the side of censorship seem to ignore.

As glen greenwald says, censorship eventually is always about those in power staying in power. Unless you are in power it’s sad to see so much pro censorship these days.

Read up on Ira Glasser at the ACLU or watch the documentary. Why did he as a Jew defend neo nazis?

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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I don’t believe that Open Source == Less Secure. See also: Linux, Ngix, Postgres... Many many open source projects are secure. They’re not perfect but an argument could be made that they’re more secure BECAUSE they’re open. Software with crosshairs on its back practicing garbage security practices will be pwnd the same regardless of it’s open-ness. Honestly. With a lot of the tools out there these days. I question if…

It is way easier to find a software vulnerability in a backend you have the code for, instead of probing a black-box backend for vulnerabilities. For instance, you can use static analysis tools to discover vulnerabilities.

So way more people are able to identify those vulnerabilities and fix them?

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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post #94

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What’s labeled centrist in the US would be considered basically authoritarian fascism in most of the rest of the western world.

Not as much as you'd like to think of the "western world" is northern and western Europe. The "rest" of it includes, among other things, most of eastern Europe and pretty much all of South America.

The "western world" as a term is understood to mean Australia, Canada, Catholic and Protestant Europe, New Zealand, plus the United States [definition from wikipedia]. Not saying that isn't silly, but everyone understands that the western world does not include those other places.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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It’s mostly normal people freely associating with other normal people, without fascist establishment elite government control, like Twitter, Facebook, elite media, and most other social media. Did you ever wonder why you are calling others far right or far left? Why are you referring to other American citizens with those terms? Who is pushing those terms that divide the vast majority of normal Americans? Who stands t…

For those unaware, the premise of They Live is that the elites and one-percenters are actually inter-dimensionally traveling space aliens. It's a great movie, but a metaphor not a "time-shifted documentary", unless I missed the latest Qdrop.

that sounds whacky enough to be entertaining

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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This increase of extreme assault on free-speech platforms should be worrying to everyone. Not too long ago, we were hailing the "internet" as a free fair space. Now it is a free fair space ... for everyone but some kind of people. I'm for free speech but this specific kind of targeted attacks is getting out of hand.

Exhibit A. HN downvoting this comment to hell

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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post #155

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How many left wing dictators have there been?

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That's a very obtuse and dishonest take of the the Nazi party and socialism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-need...

Besides, party names have never been a good indicator of political standing. Only policy is. You can look at the Liberals in Australia as an example of a conservative party.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

#190
post #9

Ratting people out to the government is hip now... crazy times.

Gab is a site that caters to hate groups. I guess the targets of their hatred take it personally. That seems rational to me.

I think we're still in gray area around speech restrictions. What actually worries me is the glee people are taking in it. Yes, maybe a particular case did cross the line and incited violence, but it's a something something very serious and scary, not something to celebrate.
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