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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by bigpeopleareold »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #71
sho_hn wrote: post #60

I don't see any information on the licensing of the adapter card / inter-module interfaces. Can others build a Framework laptop without approval? Can others build cards without approval? Will it be a platform? Tell me how this isn't a Nespresso machine for silicon pods. :-) Edit: To be clear, even a "we have a generic base laptop and you can pick your I/O" concept is potentially a nice value prop, but it'd be good if…

They're just USB-C dongles that snap into the chassis.. You can see better shots here: https://frame.work This is an unpopular opinion, but I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. This solution is sort of clever but it sacrifices a ton of internal space that could have been spent on a bigger battery. USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. (the Nespresso analogy is ridiculous, a la…

There was at one point a couple of years ago when I had to attend more meetings at work that I would the be the one presenting something on my thinkpad only because everyone else had a macbook and forgot their dongle. It could be solved by buying dongles for each room possibly, but this was a persistent problem anyway. (Thankfully, there is fewer meetings and they are just online now :) )

I don't need the ports that much, but it is nice when the needed ports are just there, because it is usually a selection of ports I need. Maybe other people don't need what I need, but I prefer having some occasionally port present, knowing its there when I need it.

I think this project takes a novel approach to the problem, sort of like what expresscards offered. Here, you can just add the ports you need if you need as your defaults.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by bigpeopleareold »

subaquamille wrote: post #257

Fairphone is doing interchangeability for... phones https://www.fairphone.com/en/ Although the feature/price is a bit below average brands, they are greatly priced if you take into account the sustainability. I Hope more brands will go this way so concurrence could help get better products and reduce electronic trash.

I got my FP3+ on Friday, so here's to hoping for another 5-8 years of not buying another phone and repairing what I have :) (Switched after 8 years of using Nexus 5s and I did have to repair it, but someone gave me a new-ish one during that time.)

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by runamok »

pwdisswordfish0 wrote: post #946
enw wrote: post #811

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I'm guessing a big reason why it has never been prioritized is due to the difficulty of quantifying the impact of great trackpad UX (and as a result, the negative impact of the shitty trackpad UX every non-Apple device offers). Higher-ups don't like things that aren't easily quantified.

Fan noise is the same. I bought a machine from a Linux laptop vendor. At the time of purchase, I raised my concerns about the risk of ultimately ending up disappointed when it arrived (particularly how pricey it was). They insisted that I would be happy, and that it would be much better than my 5 year old laptop that I was replacing. Not only was that not the case, it was worse than my own pessimism that I started wi…

I bought a Vostro 5301 (13" with 11th gen intel cpu) and the fan ran All. The. Time.

I returned it after doing all the windows and driver updates, choosing "quiet mode" in the Dell Power Management software. The fan would kick on while cpu strolled along at 10 or 15%. Replaced it with an xps 13 which has been fine. (I have had several xps so decided to chance it).

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by KptMarchewa »

dmt0 wrote: post #971
mnsc wrote: post #903

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Am I really that unique in never having used the trackpad on a laptop at all, other than a last resort being forced to use some weird non-Lenovo thing without a nipple? Always an external mouse in the backpack and the nipple as a fallback.

It's just that you've never had a laptop with a usable trackpad. I also carried a mouse when I had a Thinkpad.

I had macbook for two years and used external mouse way more than with my new thinkpad.

That thing on a macbook is so absurdly large that it's impossible to type without cursor doing some action.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by imwillofficial »

msla wrote: post #731
imwillofficial wrote: post #711

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Every port on a switch is one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collision_domain > By connecting each device directly to a port on the switch, either each port on a switch becomes its own collision domain (in the case of half-duplex links), or the possibility of collisions is eliminated entirely in the case of full-duplex links. For Gigabit Ethernet and faster, no hubs or repeaters exist and all devices require full-duplex links.

"or the possibility of collisions is eliminated entirely in the case of full-duplex links."

So is a wifi connection full or half duplex?

I don't think you understand collision domains.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by lmm »

opan wrote: post #890
lmm wrote: post #842

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If we actually got enough USB-C ports to make up for all the removed ports (like, 8 or so?) then I'd agree with you, and be willing to put up with the temporary pain of dongles for the sake of a glorious future where everything's USB-C. But we've ended up with the worst of both worlds: say I bring out my laptop for movie night and I want to plug in power, projector, surround sound, a DVD drive, and a mouse, that was…

They make hubs/docks with many ports that only need one of your USB-C ports. There's also daisy-chaining to consider. I think you most likely could connect all those things.

I ended up having to daisy chain a dock to a USB hub, and then I would get errors if I connected the wrong things to the hub because I was breaking the 7 hub limit (turns out a lot of things have extra internal hubs). Obviously I did get it to work eventually, but it felt a lot more complicated and fragile than in the old days.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by thw0rted »

mottosso wrote: post #448
throwaway894345 wrote: post #372

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I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

I felt that way until I got my hands on a Surface Book. They did a good job on that one, still holding up after 4+ years of constant use.

Seconded. I couldn't stand using a touchpad at all until I got a Surface Book 2 for work. It's now the standard to which I hold all other touchpads.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by thw0rted »

webmobdev wrote: post #459
tomtheelder wrote: post #284

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I think the SD card example encapsulates the issue perfectly. I'm pretty sure that in 2021 that is an _extreme_ niche use case. I feel like only extremely serious photographers and perhaps a particular slice of musicians use them. It makes absolutely no sense for them to have that built into the laptop. 99% of people who own Macbooks or whatever don't own an SD card dongle because they don't need it. However, and ext…

> It makes absolutely no sense for them to have that built into the laptop. 99% of people who own Macbooks or whatever don't own an SD card dongle because they don't need it. That's the issue - you are speaking only from an Apple user perspective. Android (and other non-apple) phones allow us to extend our storage with sd cards, and they are mostly used to store and transfer photos and videos.

I'm an Android user whose phone supports microSD. I never take the card out of my phone -- it's a PITA, requires an ejector tool I always manage to misplace, and I think I'm only supposed to do it with the phone powered off -- but I do plug my phone into a computer to move files on and off of it. I do this with a USB-C cable.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by trilinearnz »

nrp wrote: post #774
trilinearnz wrote: post #519

Cool idea. Reminds me a lot of the earlier Thinkpads which had legendary swappability of components between models. For example, it was trivial for me to swap the superior keyboard on my T60 for the one on my T500. Not seeing anything about the ability to swap out the display, however... You seem to lose a bit of flexibility when embracing the unibody chassis.

The display is held in with fasteners behind the magnetic attach bezel.

Ah, I see. Thank you for the clarification :)
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