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Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by Ahmed90 »

It's an obvious "following the local law" thingy, Facebook doesn't give a s*t, I personally reported 3 posts on different FB pages

1st was a religion extremist guy who says to Iraqi people that they should protest and fight the "other side" of the religion (aka start a new civil war) instead of protesting against the corrupted government.

2nd was a post that was praising the guy who murdered the Danish (Or was he Norwegian?) teacher who mocked Islam, and calling him a hero.

and the 3rd was a post that says "Women education is satanic, women's purpose is marriage".

all of these 3 reports was "The post was reviewed, and though it doesn't go against one of our specific Community Standards" and then it explains how to block blablabla... I don't report things anymore lol

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by imgabe »

postingawayonhn wrote: post #9
vbezhenar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good approach. Country must be able to control content served to their citizens. And that ruling should not be extended to other countries. Citizens can either elect different president or use VPN.

Freedom of speech/expression is a right of every individual on this planet. Any regime that does not support that should face pushback from its citizens, businesses, and other countries.

I agree, but in practice what would happen is Turkey would just block Facebook if they refused to comply. Facebook can't grant freedom of speech to people. They have to take control of their government and demand it for themselves if they want it.

Facebook has made it clear they don't care about free speech anyway, as they'll happily ban anyone who jeopardizes their ad revenue.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by sneak »

marshmallow_12 wrote: post #39
sneak wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If ISIS had a facebook page, I would be angry at facebook if they censored it. Related: People claimed Cloudflare used to protect ISIS sites. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/19/cloudflar...

if someone set up a facebook page to promote killing you and everyone you love, and making your life hell, i think you would think differently.

That's not accurate.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by spacemanmatt »

gurtyui wrote: post #20

Good. Nice to see they don't have double standards, since they also silenced for example an enemy of US - Donald Trump.

Counterpoint: They let him use FB and Twitter for his perpetual disinformation campaigns and continue to let seditionist groups organize on their platforms. The recent bans amount to nothing after giving him platform pretty much the entire duration of his term.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by [deleted] »

kobasa wrote: post #25
torb-xyz wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny that you compare YPG to ISIS. YPG/YPJ (alongside others in SDF) where some of the most successful militia in fighting back against ISIS (so much that there where some strategic co-operation with US forces in fighting ISIS). They also generally fight for Kurdish rights and, ethnic pluralism in general (saved several Yazidi towns from ISIS for example), women's rights and democracy (including forms of local direc…

>The reason PKK and/or YPG/YPJ is on some terrorist lists is mainly because Turkish government is against Kurdish rights in general. So you're just gonna omit the fact that they have a decades long history of bombing and killing innocent civilians including kids?

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Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by JIBitator »

Ahmed90 wrote: post #41

It's an obvious "following the local law" thingy, Facebook doesn't give a s*t, I personally reported 3 posts on different FB pages 1st was a religion extremist guy who says to Iraqi people that they should protest and fight the "other side" of the religion (aka start a new civil war) instead of protesting against the corrupted government. 2nd was a post that was praising the guy who murdered the Danish (Or was he Nor…

I don't see anything wrong with these posts. Perhaps you should stay on grindr instead.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by jmacjmac »

_bohm wrote: post #35
kobasa wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The reason PKK and/or YPG/YPJ is on some terrorist lists is mainly because Turkish government is against Kurdish rights in general. So you're just gonna omit the fact that they have a decades long history of bombing and killing innocent civilians including kids?

The PKK was formed in reaction to intense oppression of the Kurdish people by the Turkish State. The Kurdish language and traditional garb were banned, and Kurdish history was not allowed to be taught. The Turkish State also burned Kurdish villages and slaughtered many Kurds. None of this is to say that the PKK has not committed acts which would surely offend western sensibilities, but simply slapping the "terrorist"…

> The Kurdish language and traditional garb were banned

How about nowadays? Nothing is banned yet we still see PKK bombing public buses in our cities. Seriously, when can we call these guys "terrorist"?

These problems were real, yes, Kurdish language was banned, people couldn't say they were Kurdish without any pressure back then but these days are no more. Does "cultural ban happened in the past" justify what PKK is doing now?

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by laurent92 »

Ahmed90 wrote: post #41

It's an obvious "following the local law" thingy, Facebook doesn't give a s*t, I personally reported 3 posts on different FB pages 1st was a religion extremist guy who says to Iraqi people that they should protest and fight the "other side" of the religion (aka start a new civil war) instead of protesting against the corrupted government. 2nd was a post that was praising the guy who murdered the Danish (Or was he Nor…

Facebook has so much power with censoring only one side of the extremists. A good experiment would be if you could find a Christian priest to report, and check whether their response is weighted differently.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by sdeframond »

postingawayonhn wrote: post #9
vbezhenar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good approach. Country must be able to control content served to their citizens. And that ruling should not be extended to other countries. Citizens can either elect different president or use VPN.

Freedom of speech/expression is a right of every individual on this planet. Any regime that does not support that should face pushback from its citizens, businesses, and other countries.

Respectful nitpick: maybe you mean "Freedom of speech/expression should be a right of every individual on this planet"

Also, one thing is to wish for universal freedom of speech, another one is for a given community, or country, to impose its views on free speech (and limitations thereof) to another community.

Edit: typo

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by guerrilla »

icare_1er wrote: post #31

Well, isn't it ironic that many people here appaled by this kind of censorship were backing the same GAFAs when they kicked Trump of their platforms ? Oh yes i know, "it's not comparable because...", well, yes, it IS perfectly comparable and it is in fact the same.

> Well, isn't it ironic that many people here appaled by this kind of censorship were backing the same GAFAs when they kicked Trump of their platforms

People need to stop saying stuff like this. It's not like you looked through people's account histories or remember how specific accounts speaking today came down on that issue in the past.

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