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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by megaman821 »

Nextgrid wrote: post #119
antattack wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple just wants to be exclusive gateway to Apple customers. We are a product to both companies, even if Apple appears the lesser evil.

Apple's incentives appear aligned with their customers. Facebook's are completely opposed.

Facebook users (at least a portion) seem to be incentivized by having a large, free social network. It is the advertisements which make it free to consumers. Facebook's monetization strategy may not align with your tastes, but most people have not problem using free services with ads. That said their customers over time are going to want to preserve more of their privacy and advertisers are going to expect the same effectiveness, Facebook is going to have to figure out how to please all parties.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by Dig1t »

amelius wrote: post #523
gt565k wrote: post #512

Lmao, just like all the businesses that build their platform on top of Facebook APIs only to have those APIs closed down, now Facebook will realize what it's like to build your business based on hardware device tracking, only to have manufacturer's like Apple restrict that down. Buh bye facebook. May you rot in hell.

Meanwhile, everybody else is building their business on Apple too. I hate FB like the next guy, but I don't like the idea of Apple playing government.

In this case I don't think that giving the user a choice over whether they are tracked is playing government. But agree with the general sentiment.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by jandrese »

reaperducer wrote: post #263
23iofj wrote: post #246

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> Nothing existential about it at all. It's an actual threat to Facebook's business model. "Existential threat" means a threat to the very existence of a thing, so a thing that is an "existential threat" is a very big actual threat. I think maybe you're confusing "Existential" with "Hypothetical"?

"Existential threat" means an implied, or perceived threat. Politicians started using that phrase en masse about a year ago, and the internet has latched onto it and now misuses it all the time.

Please do not let this become a repeat of the "literally now means figuratively" situation...

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by [deleted] »

amelius wrote: post #523
gt565k wrote: post #512

Lmao, just like all the businesses that build their platform on top of Facebook APIs only to have those APIs closed down, now Facebook will realize what it's like to build your business based on hardware device tracking, only to have manufacturer's like Apple restrict that down. Buh bye facebook. May you rot in hell.

Meanwhile, everybody else is building their business on Apple too. I hate FB like the next guy, but I don't like the idea of Apple playing government.

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by amelius »

Schiendelman wrote: post #530
amelius wrote: post #523

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Meanwhile, everybody else is building their business on Apple too. I hate FB like the next guy, but I don't like the idea of Apple playing government.

I want government to do for me exactly what Apple just did.

At least give me the choice. Like a switch in the settings screen saying "let Apple police me and others". I would even be ok with it being ON by default.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by frongpik »

gt565k wrote: post #512

Lmao, just like all the businesses that build their platform on top of Facebook APIs only to have those APIs closed down, now Facebook will realize what it's like to build your business based on hardware device tracking, only to have manufacturer's like Apple restrict that down. Buh bye facebook. May you rot in hell.

Imho, Apple just wants money. FB will agree to pay 15 billions/year to keep tracking enabled, similar to how Google pays Apple to keep their search the default option.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by dang »

gt565k wrote: post #512

Lmao, just like all the businesses that build their platform on top of Facebook APIs only to have those APIs closed down, now Facebook will realize what it's like to build your business based on hardware device tracking, only to have manufacturer's like Apple restrict that down. Buh bye facebook. May you rot in hell.

Please don't post like this to HN. I'm not saying you owe FB better, but you certainly owe the community better if you're participating here. We want thoughtful, curious conversation that adds new information on interesting things. A comment that starts with "Lmao" and ends with "rot in hell" is not intersecting that space.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by kergonath »

paulgb wrote: post #222
drewvolpe wrote: post #185

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"You're Apple's customer and Facebook's product" is often repeated but completely true in this case. It's all about incentives. Apple makes money by selling more products which means they innovate by making Watches, Earpods, M1, etc. Facebook makes money by selling your attention and data, which meants they innovate by extracting data from every experience they can (Oculus, Whatsapp, ...), using more complex technolo…

Also, you literally are Apple’s product to their iOS developer ecosystem, in the sense that developers fork over 30% of their revenue to Apple for access to you.

The product in this case is the platform more than individuals.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by jaywalk »

amelius wrote: post #535
Schiendelman wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want government to do for me exactly what Apple just did.

At least give me the choice. Like a switch in the settings screen saying "let Apple police me and others". I would even be ok with it being ON by default.

That's... literally what Apple is doing. Facebook is crying because they know that a lot of people will opt out of the tracking when given the choice.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by paulmd »

siilats wrote: post #201

So the whole point is you don't have IDFA, but each app still has its own persistent ID. Before when you used the FB app and another app they both got same IDFA so FB could link them (the FB SDK in the other app posts the IDFA). However, even with Apple change, the apps can still make network connections. All FB needs to do is make its SDK ping a server with the app specific ID and correlate with IP addresses. FB app…

If Facebook exploits its software ecosystem to try and unmask users I think you'll see Apple pull the plug on any apps using those SDKs (including facebook itself) if necessary.
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