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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by hansel_der »

sydd wrote: post #487
nrp wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" was not actually a direct quote from us, but it's nice that the folks at Ars think of our design that way!

I really like the concept, congrats on making it a product! For me I have 3 concerns: 1. I'd never use a 13" laptop it's too small for work for me. Any chance of a 15" version? It'd be also cool if it could be used to light gaming (e.g. an Nvidia 1650 included) 2. Pricing. If this will be priced as Macbook pros you will have a very niche segment as customers (basically silicon valley tech people) 3. As I'm in the EU…

all valid concerns i would add my voice to allthou i'd say 14" screen is the sweetspot between portable and watching movies

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by aksss »

reaperducer wrote: post #485
boogies wrote: post #407

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I’ve never understood why people⁰ care so much about trackpads. For working with text (including code) keyboards are better, and for gaming mice are better. Where I'm less sure is graphics and video, but it seems to me like specialized mice, graphics tablets, and other tools (eg. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/key... and https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/pan... ) are b…

my point is that most tasks are either ① best done in a good text editing / development environment Your point is only correct if you replace the word "most" with "my." The fact that trackpads are hugely popular indicates that your needs are not typical, and you should not impose your choices upon others with different needs. would be better done with a specialized non-keyboard, non-trackpad input device Show me a be…

I find the mouse better for zooming (scroll wheel) and rotating (click and drag). Second to that, for less articulate but quick performance of same task, using the touch screen to rotate and drag in the same way you would on a track pad but actually interacting with the imagery directly. The laptop keyboard and trackpad combo is fine, but to me they’re merely a convenience until I can get back to a “real” keyboard and a mouse. It’s not uncommon for me to spend hours using the laptop’s HIDs directly, but I don’t think it’s very ergo, and definitely not as productive as a full desktop setup. External trackpads don’t sell well for a reason - simply that if you have the desk space for one, almost everyone is better served by a good quality mouse.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by whitten »

mymindstorm wrote: post #185
teekert wrote: post #112

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Did you find they don't work well with Linux? That'd be a big shame, I think the Foss crowd likes these kind of initiatives.

It seems like it will work just fine: > For those of you who love to tinker, we’ve also created the Framework Laptop DIY Edition, the only high-end notebook available as a kit of modules that you can customize and assemble yourself, with the ability to choose Windows or install your preferred Linux distribution.

The modularity of a Framework Laptop promises a lot of good. I know there are some workplaces where having wifi working is not permitted. Is this modular enough to have a wired networking plug and not have a wireless wifi ?

Thanks for your info

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by durst »

samstave wrote: post #707
durst wrote: post #418

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Very cool! Did others in the company appreciate the benefits of repairable hardware? Also, $50,000 sounds like a lot of money. Was that price considered giving it away?

>>* Also, $50,000 sounds like a lot of money. * OMG do you want to hear war stories about SGI? Turning SGI machines into keg-or-atores at Lucasfilm when consolodatiting to the presidio when all these Octanes and others were at ILM in Marin? Yeah - many a machine was turned into a bar... Heck the team building exercises at FB were to "build a bar for your team..."

The closest I came to an SGI machine was an N64, so I would be interested in hearing the stories. What did consolidating the SGI boards get you? Didn't that cause thermal issues?

Are Presidio and "the death star" you referenced above related to RenderMan? I've done research on hardware for image processing (https://aetherling.org/), so it's interesting to hear about these systems.

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Post by oblio »

To people hoping this will succeed (which I would very much like it to, personally), think about this:

1. Do you patch your socks, shirts, pants, jackets? Do you know regular, passive folks (so not the standard HN overachiever) doing this? I don't know anyone doing this.

2. Do you repair your home appliances? Same thing, I don't really know anyone doing this.

Of course, this being the internet, someone will reply "yes, I do this", but my reply to that: "of course someone does it, but it's not a real market, there isn't any money in this".

Poor people tend to repair their stuff, well off or rich people don't do it because it's a negative status symbol. And poor people can't afford expensive stuff, which this will probably be. Poor people can't afford high up-front costs, even though TCO might be awesome.

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Post by salusinarduis »

oblio wrote: post #957

To people hoping this will succeed (which I would very much like it to, personally), think about this: 1. Do you patch your socks, shirts, pants, jackets? Do you know regular, passive folks (so not the standard HN overachiever) doing this? I don't know anyone doing this. 2. Do you repair your home appliances? Same thing, I don't really know anyone doing this. Of course, this being the internet, someone will reply "ye…

I don't patch my clothing but I absolutely do repair appliances using guides I find on Youtube and blogs. I've also always been a custom parts pc guy, so it appeals to me, and I think there are tons of people like me based on Reddit's communities for this stuff.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by vb6sp6 »

oblio wrote: post #957

To people hoping this will succeed (which I would very much like it to, personally), think about this: 1. Do you patch your socks, shirts, pants, jackets? Do you know regular, passive folks (so not the standard HN overachiever) doing this? I don't know anyone doing this. 2. Do you repair your home appliances? Same thing, I don't really know anyone doing this. Of course, this being the internet, someone will reply "ye…

Anecdotal but whatever: I know a lot of people who try and fix their own things. The most prolific fixer I know is quite well off

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by craftkiller »

VlijmenFileer wrote: post #295

Another laptop with arrow keys so small they're unusable. No usable arrow keys means useless computer. What is wrong with laptop manufacturers making these broken keys standard? There's hardly any laptop left I could buy. A bit longer and I will have to drag an external keyboard everywhere just to use my laptop. Or just forgo laptop at all and start carrying some miny PC. It's insanity.

The librem 14 has what looks to be full-sized arrow keys: https://puri.sm/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/11300004-edited.j...
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