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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by isoskeles »

icedistilled wrote: post #127
yawaworht1978 wrote: post #11

Apple should be applauded for this. Their revenue does not depend on software to clandestinely steal and sell users data. One day, we will look back at history and see facebook similar as to how people view myspace now (junkyard of software). Good on Apple not selling devices with a facebook backdoor in them. I know apple probably has deals with malicious governments regarding data access, but at least they are stand…

It's already like myspace. Facebook is giving me super trashy friend suggestions of random foreign women with slightly suggestive pictures, and aside from my demographic I can't think of anything I've personally done on or off the internet which would make them good friend suggestions.

Instagram would do this to my discovery feeds. Every month or so I’d mark the photos with sexy women as something I don’t want to see, but they’d inevitably come back. I figure I lingered too long at a photo that featured an attractive woman. Deleted Instagram after this annoyed me too much.

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Post by tobib »

collaborative wrote: post #266

Pros: great news for value app developers. Unfair competition won't be as big of a worry and users will finally have to start valuing their apps (with money!) Cons: small retail sellers will find it hard to advertise and won't be able to compete with big ad spenders that use more wholesale ad strategies

> small retail sellers will find it hard to advertise and won't be able to compete with big ad spenders that use more wholesale ad strategies

I wonder how much of an issue this is in the real world, i.e. outside of the valley or where ever people change their buying behavior based on targeted advertising. I buy peanut butter when I need peanut butter and not based on any kind of advertising. I'm running low on socks, I'll go buy socks wherever I bought socks last time. Why would I buy something just because an algorithm shows it to me, that idea is so weird to me. I wonder if I'm the exception or if I'm missing something.

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Post by acomjean »

ryeguy_24 wrote: post #86

Does anyone support Facebook with this? Does their point below make any sense? I'm supporting Apple now but any merit to the opposing side? Curious to get some informed viewpoints. "This discouragement, this is going to have a real impact on the Internet as we know it, which is increasingly going to move to a paid experience, which again, benefits Apple's bottom line..."

If you know people who don't make a lot of money (just getting by), being able to exchange your privacy for a service might be an option they're willing to do.

I think transparency and allowing people to make the choice is fair. I don't suspect a lot of people give the "free" aspect much thought, and I'm glad this is getting the news out there.

I really wish companies would give you the option to pay to not be tracked, or exchange your information for tracked ads. I don't love that even though I subscribe to some online publication they still have ads.

Jaron Lanier a good set of videos on the problem and has a proposal to get you paid for your information (videos).

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/23/opinion/data-...

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Post by fumar »

jahlove wrote: post #4

> Some apps, like Facebook, allow for some data tracking to be manually disabled. But by default, it is turned on. That gives the company reams of personal data on who we are and what we are doing, which it then vacuums up, packages and sells. My understanding is that Facebook does not sell this data, but rather lets advertisers create hyper-targeted ads, which are only possible because of this data. Edit: Certainly…

It is not that simple. Facebook can also customer data from a variety of sources and parties. In addition, it will share measurement data to outside parties. Even if the data shared outside its walls is translated to a new ID, you still end up with an open loop where a user ID is used for targeting, measured, and potentially shared. That user ID is based on their iOS device ID and we know those are unique.

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Post by tmccrary55 »

tmccrary55 wrote: post #45
ChrisKnott wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems to me like you're more playing "semantic ju-jitsu" than OP. Facebook collect data to sell targetted adspace, they do not sell data. This is a plain fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Ana...

It's funny how a link to Facebook's recent data selling scandal, in a discussion about whether Facebook sells data, gets voted down.

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Post by underseacables »

artembugara wrote: post #6

So interesting to see how more and more businesses realize they have a single point of failure for a billion dollars streams. What's even more interesting is that I don't think many considered those as threats 10 years ago.

It’s even more interesting when you consider that most people block ads, or they block them in their vision. How many of us actually look at ads anymore? I would say that very few people even pay attention to them, and we sort of block them out of our attention. Online advertising does not work, and the metrics are inflated. I would love to see a major company stop spending on Facebook advertising, and doing analysis to see if their sales actually drop.

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Post by tobib »

multiplegeorges wrote: post #271
jonfw wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is my income tax a price the government charges for providing roads, schools, and protection? Just because there are services rendered doesn't mean it's not a tax. There is no opt out, and price is a function of earnings rather than value added.

There is an opt out. You might not like the opt out, but it remains a choice. You don't have to use Apple's platform or services. Taxes imposed by a government are compulsory. Words still have meaning and using tax to refer to Apple's fees is completely incorrect.

> Taxes imposed by a government are compulsory.

You can opt out by moving out of the country. /s

In that sense, I don't think you can opt out of the "Apple tax" because there are exactly 2 platforms both of which you have to be present on, otherwise you're not gonna reach your users.

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Post by alonsonic »

segmondy wrote: post #279

The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. Facebook has a lot of issues and we might applaud Apple on their push for "privacy" but we can't forget that Apple is no angel either.

Definition of looking at the glass half empty. Nothing is a zero sum game, we need to learn to reward good actions and punish bad ones. Here we need to support this decision by Apple instead of deviating attention to other issues. We will never get anything done if we always go back to the "but what about that..." mentality.
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