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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by sircastor »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #82
coldpie wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Between this privacy fight and the form factor of the iPhone Mini, there's a 90% chance my next phone will be an iPhone after more than a decade on Android. I'm done with this ad-sponsored trash ecosystem.

I'm worried the iPhone mini will be canned next update cycle. I wish I was in a position to buy one, but I only got an iPhone X in Jan 2020 to replace my dying iPhone SE with great reluctance. It's too soon for me to replace, as it works perfectly and I can't justify the cost or the waste. I just hope there's a mini iPhone in 2 or 3 years when I need to upgrade. I waited a long time for a new small iPhone and eventua…

I got an iPhone 12 mini (my first iPhone since the original) I’m also worried they won’t keep the form factor around. It hasn’t performed well in the market. I like the size, but apparently most people prefer the larger size and battery life.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by GeekyBear »

cddotdotslash wrote: post #214
coldpie wrote: post #31

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Between this privacy fight and the form factor of the iPhone Mini, there's a 90% chance my next phone will be an iPhone after more than a decade on Android. I'm done with this ad-sponsored trash ecosystem.

I've been on Android for a decade as well but just got an iPad mini. The one thing I still cannot figure out how to do on iOS is block ads at the system level. Android has lots of apps that act as a VPN that block ads/trackers via DNS. It blocks ads in the browser, but also in apps. I can't find the equivalent on iOS. All my searches lead to ad blockers using Safari's content blocking, but the VPN-style ad blockers a…

You could set your DNS server IP address to one of AdGuard's public DNS servers that are configured to operate like a PiHole without installing anything.

https://adguard.com/en/adguard-dns/overview.html

DNScloak and an ad blocking hosts file, such as the one here: https://github.com/BlackJack8/iOSAdblockList would be another option.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by Nextgrid »

minsc__and__boo wrote: post #228
Nextgrid wrote: post #119

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Apple's incentives appear aligned with their customers. Facebook's are completely opposed.

>Apple's incentives appear aligned with their customers Not in China: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy...

That is indeed a major problem, but it's still better than Facebook, whose incentives are never aligned with their users.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by 23iofj »

reaperducer wrote: post #217
mokus wrote: post #3

The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

an existential threat to their business model Nothing existential about it at all. It's an actual threat to Facebook's business model. And I'm OK with that.

> Nothing existential about it at all. It's an actual threat to Facebook's business model.

"Existential threat" means a threat to the very existence of a thing, so a thing that is an "existential threat" is a very big actual threat. I think maybe you're confusing "Existential" with "Hypothetical"?

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Post by mhoad »

simonh wrote: post #204
mhoad wrote: post #169

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You know it really isn’t that obvious to me at all and I think Facebook is a genuine cancer on society. But everyone seems to conveniently forget about the absolute moral nightmare that is Apple’s supply chain. Remember when they had to put up nets to stop people from killing themselves? [1] What about when they were accused of using literal slave labour? [2] Or the time they actively lobbied Congress when a vote cam…

If you cared about ethical treatment of labour in China, presumably you’d prefer to buy products from a company that rigorously audited its supply chain, excluded suppliers they caught violating it, ensured workers were paid above average industry wages and had below average suicide rates in their suppliers, right? Presumably if you were going to criticise companies using Chinese suppliers, a company like that wouldn…

I don't know why people are like this. You can be pro human rights and also not dedicate your entire life to supply chain audits.

I'm making a point that the largest company in the world not only does so but actively took steps to ensure they wouldn't be legally prevented from doing so in the future.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by bozzcl »

chrisjarvis wrote: post #197
ryeguy_24 wrote: post #86

Does anyone support Facebook with this? Does their point below make any sense? I'm supporting Apple now but any merit to the opposing side? Curious to get some informed viewpoints. "This discouragement, this is going to have a real impact on the Internet as we know it, which is increasingly going to move to a paid experience, which again, benefits Apple's bottom line..."

I am certainly on the Apple side of this spat but Stratechery wrote a rather compelling pro-Facebook article about this: https://stratechery.com/2020/privacy-labels-and-lookalike-au... The gist of the argument being that, regardless of what you think about Facebook, hyper-targeted "lookalike audience" models to target ads against actually do level the playing field for small businesses who do not the resources to pro…

While that might be true, it does not change the fact that modern tracking practices are intrusive and anti-consumer. Frankly, I can't sympathize with any business, no matter how small, that is dependent on tracking to thrive.

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Post by RL_Quine »

xuhu wrote: post #243

Won't this get handled by apps asking users to choose between all tracking, or multi-page-collapsible-ambiguous-form-for-selective-tracking ? Nobody spends minutes to deselect every category in those forms.

The option is OS provided, yes or no.

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Post by _f1dq »

solarkraft wrote: post #51
coldpie wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Between this privacy fight and the form factor of the iPhone Mini, there's a 90% chance my next phone will be an iPhone after more than a decade on Android. I'm done with this ad-sponsored trash ecosystem.

Apple are also assholes to users in places (no own software, no simple customization, absurd seeming prices, extremely limited and proprietary connectivity) ... but they also protect them like nobody else and are unusually reasonable in places, like with their software update policy. It's a reason I keep thinking about replacing my current phone with a used iPhone X, though the 12 mini would be nicer for the screen s…

Apple isn't perfect, I'll admit that all day long. But, frankly, the "absurd prices" argument just doesn't hold water to me. I paid almost $3000 for the MacBook Pro I'm typing this on--eight years ago. Meanwhile, everyone I know that has had PC's have gone through at least two replacements during that time. A little over $300/year for a computer is a bargain. I pay three times more for Internet access!
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