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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

Apple just wants to be exclusive gateway to Apple customers. We are a product to both companies, even if Apple appears the lesser evil.

Except Apple doesn't track you all across the internet at every possible opportunity without you knowing about it.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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> Apple says in the coming weeks, it will update its iOS software for iPhones to require apps to get explicit consent to track what people are doing on their phones for the purposes of sharing it with third-parties. That's all they are doing. They aren't preventing companies from tracking users in this way. They are just requiring them to get permission. Says a lot about Facebook's business model that this is a cause…

What is to stop Facebook from making a picture show up all fuzzy and then tell the user that they should opt-in to tracking to get the highest resolution pictures.

Apple's TOS surrounding this change prevent any sort of content-gating of this sort. Infractions may result in removal from the app store.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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The Grace Jones ad is discussed in more detail here: https://adage.com/article/media/facebooks-new-commercial-nar...

Not sure why the interstitial blocking my access to the website about ads and nagging me to disable my ad blocker brought me such joy.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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I think I might become an Apple fan. Writing this on Android device to be replaced with the new iPhone mini.

Facebook's behavior becomes more and more disgusting with their continued push against privacy and transparency. although I think a 30% cut by apple in app store is too much I prefer apples way of building something users actually want to buy.

There is 0 drawback for users to ask for their consent before tracking them and sharing that data with who knows whom.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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> Some apps, like Facebook, allow for some data tracking to be manually disabled. But by default, it is turned on. That gives the company reams of personal data on who we are and what we are doing, which it then vacuums up, packages and sells. My understanding is that Facebook does not sell this data, but rather lets advertisers create hyper-targeted ads, which are only possible because of this data. Edit: Certainly…

The often-quoted statement 'if you aren't paying, you are the product' is closer to the truth but is actually misleading. As per the book on Surveillance Capitalism, our interactions with Facebook (or Google) are the raw material from which they create their products, which are sold to advertisers, namely the ability to target ads at specific groups of people.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

It's not just them. Anyone who still has the wrong assumption that targeted advertising even works is in for a massive revelation.

The problem is that it works very well in certain areas.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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I don't have Facebook and I'm generally skeptical of Apple's pro-privacy messaging. However, seeing this response from Facebook has gotten me very excited for this update. There must be more to it then Apple's generic 'Most Advanced Update Ever' marketing. I'm still skeptical of Apple's commitment to privacy, but I'm certainly happy to get this update. Apple should thank Facebook for the free marketing.

For some reason I have a bad feeling about this update actually getting released. I'm worried that FB is going to convince some judge to tell Apple they can't do this, and delay it for months or years. Maybe (hopefully) this is an irrational worry, but you never know the extent to which people will go when billions of dollars are on the line.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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What spin. "This will hurt small businesses in TV and Radio." Really!? That's the best argument they can come up with?

The actual quote: Facebook has also launched a website and taken out full-page advertisements in newspapers, in addition to a recent TV and radio ad push, to put a spotlight on how many small business owners depend on targeted ads. This is definitely a true statement. The vast majority of small businesses who advertise on FB will be hurt by this change. The best estimate to date is a 20-30% drop in marketing efficien…

I'm just biased. I hate advertising and I hate tracking even more. I'm sure some companies will be slightly hurt, but I believe it will be a net gain for society.

I worked at a small hardware store as a kid and we got all our business from word of mouth. IDK what the best argument here is, so I suppose I'm just admitting my feelings with this comment.

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