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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by opan »

dvdkon wrote: post #528
tomtheelder wrote: post #284

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I think the SD card example encapsulates the issue perfectly. I'm pretty sure that in 2021 that is an _extreme_ niche use case. I feel like only extremely serious photographers and perhaps a particular slice of musicians use them. It makes absolutely no sense for them to have that built into the laptop. 99% of people who own Macbooks or whatever don't own an SD card dongle because they don't need it. However, and ext…

I use my notebook's SD card reader all the time. Cameras, ARM SBCs, 3D printers, random SD cards I find laying around... There's plenty of use cases for an SD card reader, I certainly use video out on my notebook much less.

It's also the main storage on the Wii, DSi, 3DS, (maybe Wii U, but it also had USB storage. I guess the Wii did too.) and Switch. An SD card reader lets you back up your game saves or install homebrew.

More recently there's the PinePhone as well. It's not just expandable storage, you can boot off the SD and have all your OS and files there.

I would say I definitely use SD cards more than flash drives now.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by kunalpowar1203 »

My naive question is "how do you guys manage profitability? and hence survive as a company". That's the one point that I can't explain to someone when I rant about companies making devices that cannot be repaired and would last an average 3 years.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by davidy123 »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #540
dingaling wrote: post #479

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We used to have a far better solution for that, the pointer stick on Dell and IBM laptops. Direct control over the cursor without abrading your sweaty dirty finger skin over a frictive surface.

> a far better solution for that, the pointer stick on Dell and IBM laptops. Please search the web for "trackpoint drift".

I've been a Trackpoint addict for over 20 years, using computers 8+ hours a day. I wouldn't consider any other pointer method. Trackpoint drift is an issue, but it's not really a big problem. A few times a month, it happens for a few seconds, then it works itself out. I have had episodes of cramping, but they've gone away with no long term impact.

It may be that I've become more zen/accepting, because I'm sure a mouse or trackpad can be more precise pointing tools, but it's worth it for the connection. Input is all about the keyboard and mouse, and the proximity just makes so much sense, especially when using vim mode. I could imagine better systems where typing with a keyboard is still the main input, but they would all involve not taking my hands off the home row.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by Schlaefer »

oconnore wrote: post #66
sho_hn wrote: post #60

I don't see any information on the licensing of the adapter card / inter-module interfaces. Can others build a Framework laptop without approval? Can others build cards without approval? Will it be a platform? Tell me how this isn't a Nespresso machine for silicon pods. :-) Edit: To be clear, even a "we have a generic base laptop and you can pick your I/O" concept is potentially a nice value prop, but it'd be good if…

Nespresso pods for silicon sound great! I’m not a hardware engineer, I’m just tired of $800 “replace the entire main board” repairs when I broke my ‘H’ key.

These laptops exist today, just vote with your wallet. I don't know, Lenovo's T-series is popular, e.g. the T14: Here's how to do it (page 72) [1], new keyboard costs around 50 bucks.

[1] https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t14_gen1_p14s...

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by brailsafe »

nkrisc wrote: post #474
throwaway894345 wrote: post #372

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I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).

For whatever reason, I've never used a laptop that wasn't a MacBook that has had a trackpad anywhere as amazing as what Apple has done. I don't know if the problem is hardware, software, or both, but as a consumer I don't care. I'll never buy a non-Apple laptop until I can find one that has a trackpad as good or better. That's my personal requirement. On a personal laptop I always use the trackpad so I want it to be…

There are so many people responding with incredulity to the fact that pc laptop makers haven't come up with a good Trackpad, but to me the reason is evident in the first interaction you have with any pc laptop manufacturer. Show me a pc laptop website that isn't an absolute horrific fucking mess, then find me a product on that website that doesn't look like a stupid broken plastic box thing, and then maybe we can start talking about trackpads. These companies seemingly want people to buy arbitrary products off the shelf and NEVER return. I'll grant that there may be a few notable exceptions, probably Razer is one, but the rest are abominations.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by randomchars »

saagarjha wrote: post #873
randomchars wrote: post #248

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> All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. Maybe that's the case for you, but that's far from universal. I have zero need for any adapters. At work, I can use usb-c to connect to my monitor, and if I need to present in a meeting room, I do it wirelessly. At home, I can use airplay to share my screen to my TV.

Your monitor which happens to have ports on it?

It does, and well, they all sit empty and unused.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by Igelau »

samizdis wrote: post #103

Ars Technica has a sceptical but optimistic/hopeful take on it: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/framework-startup-de... Edit to add quote from Ars article: Framework is promising an awful lot in its very first product—"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" is a pretty tall order to live up to. We very much want to believe, but it's going to take a full Ars Technica teardown before we're c…

> it's going to take a full Ars Technica teardown before we're completely convinced.

Read: please send us a free one

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

wolfsayswof wrote: post #600

I'm just gonna say it. The design looks like a hard copy of the Macbook Air.

Which honestly seems to undersell the machine, you make something so unique then just made it look like the problem its trying to solve.

Hope the design team have a little more bravery in future

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by c17r »

lmm wrote: post #842
tomtheelder wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the SD card example encapsulates the issue perfectly. I'm pretty sure that in 2021 that is an _extreme_ niche use case. I feel like only extremely serious photographers and perhaps a particular slice of musicians use them. It makes absolutely no sense for them to have that built into the laptop. 99% of people who own Macbooks or whatever don't own an SD card dongle because they don't need it. However, and ext…

If we actually got enough USB-C ports to make up for all the removed ports (like, 8 or so?) then I'd agree with you, and be willing to put up with the temporary pain of dongles for the sake of a glorious future where everything's USB-C. But we've ended up with the worst of both worlds: say I bring out my laptop for movie night and I want to plug in power, projector, surround sound, a DVD drive, and a mouse, that was…

This is my complaint about the latest iPhones. I’m fine with the move from analog to digital but WHY just one port!?

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Post by gohbgl »

kunalpowar1203 wrote: post #892

My naive question is "how do you guys manage profitability? and hence survive as a company". That's the one point that I can't explain to someone when I rant about companies making devices that cannot be repaired and would last an average 3 years.

Well, in the tech space this is very easy to explain: They survive by selling new devices. People will eventually buy new laptops to get access to faster hardware.
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