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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by eyelidlessness »

@dang

> Threads are paginated for performance reasons (yes we're working on it)

I have a very meta interest in the tech/design/implementation behind HN. I've built a dark mode theme for the site because you asked the community to fill that gap. I'm wondering if whatever work goes into this perf improvement might be something y'all could talk about when it's ready? I'd love to know more about what's behind the incredibly 1999 frontend, and how it keeps up with the huge volume it gets.

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Post by nrp »

jrmann100 wrote: post #502

This looks like a fantastic, albeit potentially costly, product, and I'm excited to see where it goes. For those of us who are happy with our current laptops but are still excited by the customizability of the Expansion Card system, are you considering creating USB-C hubs designed to work with the modules? The Cards obviously already adapt to USB-C but it'd be nice to have a dedicated hub to stack them and save space…

A controller just became available that makes this more doable. It is something we're exploring to broaden the usability of the Expansion Cards.

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Post by anonu »

ppezaris wrote: post #195
XorNot wrote: post #90

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Apple burns almost all of their space savings on making the machine thinner, to the point of absurdity. Apple is content to push everything into dongles (which you have to carry around anyway) to get it thinner. The point at which I can't have a wired RJ45 ethernet port is already ridiculous - that is not a thick connector. Same with fullsize USB ports. Battery life there are hard limits as well: nobody is making a l…

I'm sorry who is using RJ45 ports on a laptop these days? Seems like that question was asked and answered years ago, and wifi has won.

Depends on who your audience is. HN crowd: give them an RJ45.

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Post by nrp »

trilinearnz wrote: post #519

Cool idea. Reminds me a lot of the earlier Thinkpads which had legendary swappability of components between models. For example, it was trivial for me to swap the superior keyboard on my T60 for the one on my T500. Not seeing anything about the ability to swap out the display, however... You seem to lose a bit of flexibility when embracing the unibody chassis.

The display is held in with fasteners behind the magnetic attach bezel.

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Post by nrp »

twobitshifter wrote: post #495

I love the idea. My suggestion: To make the laptop “you” as the site says, you need to make the laptop outwardly expressive. Nothing is less unique than a apple logo on the lid. Zune did an amazing job some time ago with custom engraving artist designs and patterns on the back of their MP3 players. Maybe Framework could do something similar?

The bezel around the display is magnetic-attach and we'll be offering a range of colors for it.

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Post by SilverRed »

sturza wrote: post #7
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #4

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In what way?

it will be expensive because it liiks like the first teuly modular laptop. it will get cheaper if it has a big enough market. so in a long enough time frame it does not matter

Its not the first. We have seen modular designs over and over again. Here is a very similar idea from 2016 https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

We have also seen multiple failed attempts at modular phones.

Ultimately, the problem with repair is not about making it easy enough for grandma to swap out a part. Its about making sure repair stores have the ability to source replacement parts.

Its pretty easy to do almost any repair if you have the tools and parts but there is no way you are finding a new IC that fried on your 5 year old laptop.

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Post by TimTheTinker »

anuragsoni wrote: post #516
nkrisc wrote: post #474

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For whatever reason, I've never used a laptop that wasn't a MacBook that has had a trackpad anywhere as amazing as what Apple has done. I don't know if the problem is hardware, software, or both, but as a consumer I don't care. I'll never buy a non-Apple laptop until I can find one that has a trackpad as good or better. That's my personal requirement. On a personal laptop I always use the trackpad so I want it to be…

> That's my personal requirement. On a personal laptop I always use the trackpad so I want it to be the best. 100%. On my personal devices I don't want to compromise on trackpad or keyboards (I like that apple went back on the butterfly keyboards). The rest of my comment is just my personal experience so take it with a grain of salt. I've found the trackpad experience on the XPS and Thinkpad X1 laptops to be excellen…

> I'm also not sure i'd be willing to give up on being able to run linux natively on a laptop I buy with my own money.

May I suggest sponsoring Hector Martin on GitHub[0]? He’s working on building first-class support for the M1 architecture (including drivers) into Linux.

[0] https://github.com/marcan

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Post by nrp »

pbronez wrote: post #727

I would love to see an e-ink display upgrade for this!

We'd love to see that too! The Dasung 13.3" is actually sized just about right to be able to mod into our lid assembly. It's probably not a thing that we'll do ourselves, but it would be great to see someone try it.

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Post by _0w8t »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #651
gburdell3 wrote: post #538

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It has to be software. I have a ThinkPad that I recently installed macOS on (not advocating hackintosh, but it's a fun project nonetheless) and the trackpad feels every bit as good as a real Mac. Smooth scrolling, smooth gesture recognition, everything just feels good. The hardware is capable of processing the gestures, but the non-Apple software just does a terrible job of making it feel good to use.

I suspect the key software is in the firmware of the trackpad itself. The hardware does a lot of processing of the raw signals before it hands the data to the trackpad driver. The driver does additional processing, of course, but this also means that alternate trackpad implementations need more than just the right driver code. The firmware plays a key role.

I have Intel MacBook Pro and the behavior of trackpad under Windows in BootCamp is just terrible while in a Windows VM or on a remote Windows desktop it is almost as good as on Mac. So I doubt it is in firmware.

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Post by SilverRed »

f6v wrote: post #218
kieranl wrote: post #65

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Kieran from Framework Here - Using it as my main machine for development running Ubuntu 20.04 right now. The main tweak is running a mainline kernel with some distributions as Tigerlake support is new.

Don’t get me wrong, it’d be great to have a good Linux laptop on the market. However, I’ve read too many Dell XPS reviews to stay on Mac(which is suboptimal due to the nature of my work). There’s always something that is misbehaving on Linux laptops: WiFi, the sleep mode(i.e. you open the laptop and it’s ready to work), touchpad, fingerprint reader. Maybe it’s too much to ask, but i) is your laptop MacBook-level smoo…

The Dell XPS works fine on Linux if you get a model that is at least 6 months old. Usually what happens is on day one people go and add support for the wifi card and then it takes 6 months for ubuntu to ship a version that includes that support.

After using both a macbook and a dell xps on linux this year, I'm a whole lot happier using the dell xps. The XPS has functional cooling at least.

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