Is the Laptop also available with a AMD ryzen CPU?
Yep, this is my question too. If not is the CPU swapable?
Especially given that this product appeals to the PC builder types, it really should support AMD.
The Framework Laptop
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#492Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just an anecdote on the value of modular and repairable hardware: Compaq vs Sun: I was the IT Director for Decide.com in ~1998-ish and we had a bunch of compaq servers and a bunch of SUN servers... At the time - SUN was *giving* servers to startups to adopt their HW. I had to build out a ton of systems in various DCs and the SUN machines were not rack-mountable, but were like $50,000 a unit... and they had this *secu…
Very cool! Did others in the company appreciate the benefits of repairable hardware? Also, $50,000 sounds like a lot of money. Was that price considered giving it away?
First one’s free.
Edit: in hindsight it was a terrible marketing strategy. It meant that 100% of new customers had budget left over to spend on risky whitebox machines.
I have fond memories of an AMD Linux cluster that ran circles around a Sun workstation. The workstation cost 10x more than the entire cluster.
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#493No powerful GPU seems to be planned, though.
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#494Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just an anecdote on the value of modular and repairable hardware: Compaq vs Sun: I was the IT Director for Decide.com in ~1998-ish and we had a bunch of compaq servers and a bunch of SUN servers... At the time - SUN was *giving* servers to startups to adopt their HW. I had to build out a ton of systems in various DCs and the SUN machines were not rack-mountable, but were like $50,000 a unit... and they had this *secu…
Very cool! Did others in the company appreciate the benefits of repairable hardware? Also, $50,000 sounds like a lot of money. Was that price considered giving it away?
$50,000 sounds like a lot of money
For a server in the 90's, it sounds pretty cheap to me.
Apple's Xserves started at $3,000, and I've read they were considered underpowered. Sun was a premium company for heavy lifting.
The company I worked for at the time was into Silicon Graphics, and those machines were five figures a pop just for desktops.
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#495I love the idea. My suggestion: To make the laptop “you” as the site says, you need to make the laptop outwardly expressive. Nothing is less unique than a apple logo on the lid. Zune did an amazing job some time ago with custom engraving artist designs and patterns on the back of their MP3 players. Maybe Framework could do something similar?
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#496Reading down the proposed spec sheet, I'm starting to see how crappy the competition is! * Apple MacBook - Nothing configurable. Expensive and not build to be repaired. * Microsoft Surface - Much the same, but with Windows * Lenovo Thinkpad - A little more configurable than a MacBook, and much better value, but still difficult to repair. Missing premium features like an Aluminium case. * Dell XPS 13 - Much like the L…
My first thought on it was that I love it and I want one, my second thought was that its really sad they don't have a thinkpad-like rubberized alloy case but only a subpar mac-like shell available. Tastes differ, I guess.
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#497This is a great example of a problem where Apple has placed their own financial interests above their users.
They could make their computers and phones highly upgradeable and repairable, they're brilliant at these kinds of engineering challenges, but they choose not to because they would (presumably) not make as much money as they currently do.
But that leaves an opportunity for others to come along, like this company, and serve the market better than Apple.
I hope this company succeeds at least enough to force Apple's hand, in the way Tesla forced automakers to move to EVs.
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#498Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've still never seen a PC with a sane touchpad. That's the first issue in a long tail of grievances with the PC laptop ecosystem. EDIT: This isn't a generic "pro-Mac" dig, I want a nice PC laptop because I like dabbling with Linux; however, even the high end trackpads are clunky, even with the pre-installed Windows (never mind the eternal sadness that is Linux trackpad configuration).
I’ve never understood why people⁰ care so much about trackpads. For working with text (including code) keyboards are better, and for gaming mice are better. Where I'm less sure is graphics and video, but it seems to me like specialized mice, graphics tablets, and other tools (eg. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/key... and https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/pan... ) are b…
> Trackpad vs keyboard
¿Por que no los dos? Seriously, I wasn't talking about replacing my keyboard with a trackpad. They are different devices with different purposes and are intended to be used together.
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#499Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’ve never understood why people⁰ care so much about trackpads. For working with text (including code) keyboards are better, and for gaming mice are better. Where I'm less sure is graphics and video, but it seems to me like specialized mice, graphics tablets, and other tools (eg. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/key... and https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/pan... ) are b…
my point is that most tasks are either ① best done in a good text editing / development environment Your point is only correct if you replace the word "most" with "my." The fact that trackpads are hugely popular indicates that your needs are not typical, and you should not impose your choices upon others with different needs. would be better done with a specialized non-keyboard, non-trackpad input device Show me a be…
>Your point is only correct if you replace the word "most" with "my." The fact that trackpads are hugely popular indicates that your needs are not typical, and you should not impose your choices upon others with different needs.
But Apple trackpads are not hugely popular, they have a fraction (~10%, likely less) of the global market. Does the fact that non-Apple computers are hugely popular indicate that the needs of Apple trackpad fans are not typical, and they should not extol their virtues to others?
> Show me a better multi-purpose input device that I can use to rotate objects on a screen. Or zoom into a specific object without affecting other objects on a screen. Or configure to have multiple hotspots that when tapped can trigger events or macros.
I’ve previously used a normal Apple mouse and keyboard to do all of these things in Adobe Photoshoshop and Illustrator on macOS and subsequently a random BestBuy mouse and ancient Compaq keyboard to do them in Gimp, Inkscape, and Blender on GNU (with xdotool for hot corners, which I’m counting as close enough to tapping hotspots). A graphics tablet would only work better.
> Again, trackpads aren't your thing. Good for you. Other people love them, and millions of people get real work done on them each day.
Again, non-Apple trackpads don’t seem to be your thing. Good for you. The majority of trackpad users use them every day.
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#500The port design is intriguing. My concern is your main competition, at least from me, is against Lenovo. Their thinkpads don't offer the modularity of IO ports, but instead simply offer "one of everything", with user-replacable SSD, HDD, and RAM modules, which is enough for most users. Swappable screens might be enough of a selling point, but, I'm holding out for the actual final specs. It doesn't look like it can fi…
Do any of the modern Thinkpads offer user-replaceable parts? Any time I see Thinkpads recommend on HN, it's for older, 2nd hand laptops. Also, do any of such Thinkpads approach the lightness, thinness and aesthetic of this laptop? Last time I looked at new Thinkpads, I seem to recall they were pretty chunky, with only the Ideapads being thin, light and nice to look at (it was a while ago, so I might have that wrong t…
The framework laptop is 16mm thick and 1.5kg. Those are the dimensions of a ThinkPad T480 and its successors. (As in, the framework laptop is not as thin or as light as you're assuming -- it's "standard" laptop size, not Ultrabook)